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by Mountain Man
Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:00 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

You have claimed an atheist cannot have moral obligation. Now you seem to say he can but cannot account for it. You have made moral understanding and obligation dependent on the existence of God. None of this is contradictory. If atheism is true then moral obligation does not exist. However, moral ...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:38 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

How, then, can an atheist even get the sense of moral obligation according to you? Since he does not believe in the consequences you point to, and since you then imply that he cannot have an obligation, then why would it ever occur to him to have a sense of such an obligation which according to you...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:23 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

You are holding on to a wrong understanding of moral accountability. So, once more, moral accountability exist independently of whether there are consequences or not. It is based on the fact that there are ethical values that exist and are having a truth value independently of whether anyone acts a...
by Mountain Man
Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:33 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

It is not a fundamental ignorance of theistic morality. It is a different version and one that is based on very thoughtful consideration. The logic fails you when you talk about moral obligation. You wrote "You can not have an obligation without someone or something to hold you accountable, and the...
by Mountain Man
Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:37 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

I call it nonsense because it exposes a fundamental ignorance of theistic morality. Asking, "Is God morally good?" makes as much sense as asking, "Is a circle round?" We call something round because it has the nature of a circle. We call something morally good because it has the nature of God. The p...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:51 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

What a load of nonsense. As theists and Christians, "good" is simply the term we use to describe that which aligns with the character and nature of God. It's not independent of God, nor is it something that God arbitrary decides. But again, the real issue is moral obligation . I can willingly grant ...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:02 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

I simply believe there is insufficient evidence to claim that a theistic god exists. I'm curious what you mean by "evidence". If you mean scientific evidence then you're probably right, but that's only because the question of God's existence is outside the boundaries of science. But there's actuall...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:09 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Atheist Petra Fans
Replies: 111
Views: 10379

Re: Atheist Petra Fans

Wow, that's an old thread revived! I didn't contribute to the previous discussion, and I doubt I have much wisdom to share, but I wanted to point out the one thing in your post that strikes me as quite essential. I simply believe there is insufficient evidence to claim that a theistic god exists. I...
by Mountain Man
Fri Mar 10, 2017 9:23 am
Forum: The Petra Zone
Topic: Unseen Power Review
Replies: 12
Views: 300

Re: Unseen Power Review

Beyond Belief was such a monster success that I don't think it was really possible for them to match it in a follow-up. That and the over-processed Elefante sound was getting a bit tired by that point. For whatever reason, this album has always felt a bit out of place to me in Petra's catalog, but ...
by Mountain Man
Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:32 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

Your status has declined hugely because of Trump. If you say so. :roll: I have yet to see convincing arguments for not helping refugees from Syria. It depends on what you mean by "helping refugees from Syria". If you mean individuals taking aid to those living in Syria, or bringing refugees here an...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:19 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

curt wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:23 pm
And neither should we just close our eyes and ignore those in need.
It's all about finding a reasonable balance.
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 06, 2017 2:07 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

curt wrote:
Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:31 pm
No. And no one suggested that. You keep going to extremes.
But it makes the point that we should not be indiscriminately charitable.
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:46 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

My point is simply this: Christians have limited resources, and it is our responsibility to use discretion to ensure that those resources are used to do the most good. Sometimes that means putting you and your family first. I just wonder how one could justify the claim that the resources are used t...
by Mountain Man
Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:25 am
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

...it even seems to presuppose that quite many of those who are in need are evil or dangerous. No it doesn't. A story my pastor once told: One day a man approached my pastor and asked if he could borrow $20, saying he was in need of money. My pastor said no. The man became indignant and said, "What...
by Mountain Man
Sun Mar 05, 2017 6:39 pm
Forum: Other Topics
Topic: Theological advice from unlikely sources.
Replies: 58
Views: 620

Re: Theological advice from unlikely sources.

So many people are saying we should do the Christian thing and let everyone in our life boat. I think "doing the Christian thing" is one dimensional. We are to do good by those wanting in and screw those already here. Sounds like history repeating itself. An analogy I like to use is, would you put ...