Louie Weaver & Petra fallout

bklockmiller · Post by **bklockmiller** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:15 pm

I have been looking for over two years now why Louie Weaver was fired from Petra, I don't know if I've just overlooked it but I have not been able to find out the real reason. The closest I come is one website said that during the planning for Jekyll & Hyde, Louie wanted to do another praise & worship album instead of a rock album, but it couldn't have been just over that, surely there has to be more to it, if anyone knows please let me know. Thanks!!

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:23 pm

They never did give a specific reason, and that's up to them. It's all history anyway, we'd be wise just to leave it alone.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:56 pm

politics I hate them!

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:52 pm

Well, I agree with the sentiments about politics, but look at it this way: The rest of us probably don't tell everyone everything about what goes on between us and our family, friends and coworkers; it's unfair to expect from them what we wouldn't be willing to do ourselves. How much information they decide to share is up to them.

Whatever the case, it's history. They seem to have moved on, we'd be wise to do the same. It's normal for band members to change over the years. I know I've said that sort of thing before, but this topic seems to come up every now and then. Stop and think, what would it really accomplish to know all the reasons behind Louie's leaving? Probably not a lot as far as I can see. The best thing anyone can do for these guys is just to pray for them.

I'm making this post from school by the way, my second class got cancelled, so I have a little while before my next class starts.

e5c4p3artist · Post by **e5c4p3artist** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:16 pm

While I agree with the intent of the people who want to protect the band's feelings and reputations, I am becoming tired of the "it's history so let's not talk about it" approach. It only raises more suspicions and speculations.

From other threads, it appears no one knows anything about this particular situation, but there are others of which some facts are known that some would rather sweep under the rug than tactfully discuss.

Why should we not talk about these things as long as our intent is to inform and not degrade, to answer questions and not pass judgement, to confirm facts and not foster speculation?

Besides the "it's history" approach defies logic. In a year, everything about Petra will be history. Shall we not talk of them anymore? I guess I'll just have to offend people, because I'll still be talking about them.

Sorry, but I've seen way too many "it's history" posts that are ostensibly attempts at stifling discussions that inquiring minds would rather have and it has finally touched a nerve.

I know my opinion probably doesn't count here, but I felt led to offer it anyhow. Sorry for the outburst. Resume discussion as normal.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:12 pm

Of course you're entitled to your opinion, that's what a discussion board is for, but there is really no constructive reason for what you're suggesting. Would you want your business discussed on the Internet? They have a right to have stuff they don't want broadcast all over the place, and they were probably wise to keep things quiet. It was a war zone here when that was going on.

It doesn't change anything to rehash the past. There reaches a point you just have to move on; that doesn't mean you're sweeping things under the rug, it means you know when to let go and go on with your life.

Whatever the case, they chose not to give a lot of details, we will probably never know the whole story, and that's up to them.

e5c4p3artist · Post by **e5c4p3artist** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:45 pm

When someone asks a question, the answers should not be withheld simply because the news is bad. If Louie had left because he won a billion dollars in the lottery, no one would have a problem posting that answer. But as soon as the answer reveals that rock stars are human too, everyone seems to think that it is un-Christian to talk about it.

Louie leaving may be a bad example because it is glaringly apparent that no one here actually knows the reasons. But, for example, a question I would like answered is "what was the situation around Jim Cooper's departure from the band?" People DO seem to know about that and will go so far as to post mysterious innuendos, but I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that no one will fill me in.

Markus · Post by **Markus** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:13 am

I guess the point is... _we_ dont _want_ to talk about it, as petra is a christian band. And it's hard to noitice that they fall apart in dispute, which is totally unchristian - imho.

It's humanly that people get in conflict, but christians should forgive each other, shouldnt we? Now we have to see that Louie and a Petra member can't forgive each other and it hurts me! It hurts me really deeply! Isn' it the same when Ronny left?

Hm.. yup, it really hurts me! And i think thats the way we dont talk about it and maybe we should talk about it. It's not our part to judge them, we have to pray for them.

BTW: What has happed to the PETRA WARRIOR? Do they not exist any longer? I think we should pray for the petra members and write them emails with our prayers so god touch their hearts.

Maybe they start to talk to each other again and finally they can pray together again.

Just my thoughts,
Markus

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 5:50 am

But see, the fact is, nobody here really DOES know about it. With maybe one or three exceptions, anything anyone would post would be speculation and hearsay, and most likely half-truth. The only people who really know are band members and people, and they're not talking.

Plus, it's not really any of our business.

Go to a concert and ask John Schlitt or Wayne Seboa. That's the only place you can get an authoritative answer.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:17 am

Christians, though held in a higher standard, are people too. Splits happen all the time, just on a less public stage. From what I know about the guys in Petra, it would never be petty. They knew there would be public speculation and they knew there would be blame to go around. I assume the same thing happened with Greg and others.

I just don't care anymore. It is history, and my curiosity is allayed by who Petra is now, and what Louie is doing now. They've moved on. It's time for us to stop gawking at the train wreck and move on, because we're holding up traffic.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:13 am

I think it is Petra's business, but also they have choosen to be in the public life and have to take the good with the bad and all the other things that come along with that. I do have alot of mixed feelings about this topic because I am such a huge fan of Louies. I think we just need to let it go.

Someone said eariler in this post that they feel Petra(including Louie) have gotten past the issue and gone on with their careers, but I think if Louie had gotten past the situation then he would be showing up October 4th to do the CD/DVD. Just my opinion.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 7:50 am

executioner wrote:I think it is Petra's business, but also they have choosen to be in the public life and have to take the good with the bad and all the other things that come along with that.

Exactly! That is the point, on the nose. Let's be the good, not the bad.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:10 am

Good points MJ and Exe. They do have to deal with the public all the time, which means if they choose not to give a lot of information about what goes on, we should respect it. Ask what you are hoping to accomplish by having this information, is it just curiosity? There's nothing intrinsically wrong with being curious about what goes on with a band you care about, that is normal to an extent. But to continue to demand information and not be satisfied with what they have had to say is crossing a line you shouldn't cross. I'm sure the rest of us wouldn't want our business discussed on a message board.

There is an article on Josh's site that talks about when Jim Cooper was in the group by the way, and John gives some of the reasons why he was fired.

Kirkman · Post by **Kirkman** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:22 am

Markus wrote:It's humanly that people get in conflict, but christians should forgive each other, shouldnt we? Now we have to see that Louie and a Petra member can't forgive each other and it hurts me! It hurts me really deeply! Isn' it the same when Ronny left?

Whoa, Markus, slow down there.... Just because Louie isn't coming that evening doesn't mean there has been no forgiveness. Louie could have any number of reasons for not wanting or not being able to come.

The truth is, we don't know what the state of their relationships are. And that is because we are outsiders and not involved. So let's not jump to conclusions!

--Josh

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 10:55 am

Kirkman wrote:Just because Louie isn't coming that evening doesn't mean there has been no forgiveness. Louie could have any number of reasons for not wanting or not being able to come.

Good point, Josh. It may even be that Louie simply had other commitments and COULDN'T come. We don't really know unless someone choses to make that information public (and I don't know of any good reason they would want to).

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