The Petra Zone

A joke my uncle once told me: Some scientists were feeling pretty proud of themselves, so they challenged God to a contest where each would make a human being from dust, and then they would put them through a series of trials to see which was the best creation. God readily agreed, so the scientists...

What's Donald Trump doing on the petra zone again? I just had to deal with the fact that Canada gets another four years of Justin Trudeau, seems like I just can't avoid politics wherever I go :lol: Obama was mentioned first, then Trump returned (my fault :lol: ). It is on topic to the extent that i...

hehehe.... you're SO bad, Brent! :P Well, to put things into perspective, there is another guy who, perhaps, should say "umm..." once in a while in order to allow himself to think about what he is actually saying in order not to contradict himself: “I don’t want to comment on that. But the answer i...

Be careful. It's very rare to find an open-minded atheist who is truly willing to listen to and contemplate on the arguments and evidence for God, and you need be careful you're not getting sucked into a debate where he just wants to try and browbeat your faith out of you. I've encountered plenty o...

hehehe.... you're SO bad, Brent! :P Well, to put things into perspective, there is another guy who, perhaps, should say "umm..." once in a while in order to allow himself to think about what he is actually saying in order not to contradict himself: “I don’t want to comment on that. But the answer i...

dihigo wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:30 pm

As a huge GXV fan, I must say that his performance was painful to watch.

I completely agree. It is painful to watch. I started thinking about myself when I was 10 years old listening to Petra records holding a pencil in my hand (my microphone) pretending I was the lead singer of Petra.

All that said, I do wish I could speak with some secular musicians who have played on the albums of some of my fav CCM records. It would be interesting to know what they thought of the music, artists, messages, etc. As far as I am concerned Steve Lukather played on some CCM records, and generally h...

Hand on my heart.

So you could not present the argument and have to rely on a weblink. If that is your proof or logical argument I am certainly not impressed. As I have pointed out in what you presented in this last part of the discussion there is no argument being presented. There is nothing to understand or misunde...

So, you do realize there was no proof in what you provided and now you argue by weblink. Are you able to actually argue in favour of the theory?

This is presented as a theory. There really is no proof. And what do you expect a philosophical proof to look like other than a logical argument? You would do better to show that the argument is in some way unsound or invalid rather than whine about "proof". The point, of course, is that there is n...

This is presented as a theory. There really is no proof. And what do you expect a philosophical proof to look like other than a logical argument? You would do better to show that the argument is in some way unsound or invalid rather than whine about "proof". The point, of course, is that there is n...

Well, this is an interesting case of defining your way out of the problem without really showing why or how it makes sense. You qoute William Lane Craig: "The divine command theorist, and Alston in particular, is very clear. These properties are good because God possesses them. They are descriptions...

You are actually correct, Dan. We have seen many religious people throw bombs based on the idea that only they know what is right or wrong.

I don't see how Mountain Man does much to confront Leibniz' point: "Furthermore, if you say ·as Descartes did· that things are good not because they match up to objective standards of goodness, but only because God chose them, you will unthinkingly destroy all God’s love and all his glory. For why p...