Classic Petra - The Upcoming New Album.

[Boray]

its really dumb to compare the two.

Why do you keep on comparing them then? Are you really dumb? Just couldn't resist to point out that you call yourself dumb.

By the way, are you into music recording and mixing? If not, then why do you ignore the comments from those here that are?

[rexreed]

its really dumb to compare the two.

Why do you keep on comparing them then? Are you really dumb? Just couldn't resist to point out that you call yourself dumb.

By the way, are you into music recording and mixing? If not, then why do you ignore the comments from those here that are?

If someone is responding to a statement then they are not ignoring it. Do I need to bring my Petra recordings to a recording studio and have the engineer rip the early albums to pieces ? You don't even have to compare Petra to other bands. Listen to WUC and compare it to BTTS- just a few years difference and most folks, I would argue, think the WUC has a higher production values. I've said many times that I do not care for that album's music, but it does sound fantastic. From what I have heard, Star Song was pretty darned cheap and it would seem highly unlikely that a band like Petra would be able to spend the same kind of money on an album as Journey or Foreigner in 1981. Does more money + better album? well not exactly but it stands to reason that more money +more resources and that would lend itself to a better production. If it offends you when people say this then I do not know what to tell you- it actually means that Petra improved.

[p-freak]

I don't know anything about recording music and I'm not an audiophile. When I listen to Petra's albums, I think only the production quality for Back To The Street is really bad. It's an album I hardly listen to because everything sounds so muffled. To a certain extent TMW has the same problem, but it's already quite a bit better than BTTS. I think the JDB albums and Wake-Up Call sound much cleaner and better than anything the Elefantes ever did, maybe with the exception of PP2 and God Fixation. But a big problem is also the mastering. The remastered songs on Still Means War! sounds so much better than the original masters. I wonder if a true remastering of the JDB albums would work such a miracle as well.

[Boray]

I'm not particularly offended, but maybe I should be when someone just called all people in this thread for "really dumb".

I don't consider Back to the Street to be an "early" Petra record. It was their 9'th album! But I don't have a problem with the sound of it either. It's very typical for it's time and production wise actually sounds a lot better than the Elephante Kansas albums.

One album ahead of it's time was Beat the system. I've amused myself by playing the title track for friends and asked what year they think it is. They usually say some year in the 90's! I guess it sounds like some 90's techno pop with the off beat bass line.

[executioner]

I'm not particularly offended, but maybe I should be when someone just called all people in this thread for "really dumb".

I don't consider Back to the Street to be an "early" Petra record. It was their 9'th album! But I don't have a problem with the sound of it either. It's very typical for it's time and production wise actually sounds a lot better than the Elephante Kansas albums.

One album ahead of it's time was Beat the system. I've amused myself by playing the title track for friends and asked what year they think it is. They usually say some year in the 90's! I guess it sounds like some 90's techno pop with the off beat bass line.

Well after thinking about it and putting multiple of these artists side by side and listening to them for the last week I've come to the conclusion that it really was dumb(including me) to compare Petra's recordings to their secular counterparts. This also includes "The Dream Team" albums that were produced by John & Dino.
I really think Petra's quality didn't start getting in the same realm as their secular buddies until WUC, PP2, GF, DT, & JAH; the 2 misteps being No Doubt & Revival.

Now you and others can be offended, but when it comes right down to it its just my opinion and in the grand scheme of things none of our opinions really don't mean much.

[Jonathan]

[rexreed]

I'm not particularly offended, but maybe I should be when someone just called all people in this thread for "really dumb".

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Now you and others can be offended, but when it comes right down to it its just my opinion and in the grand scheme of things none of our opinions really don't mean much.

So you are saying that our opinions do mean much?

[Boray]

I don't think it's dumb to compare things. What's dumb is to confuse production quality for musical style and preference. If you want your music to sound like it's all compressed into your own head - then there you go, there is Jekyll&Hyde for you. But if you for example prefer a more natural dynamic sounding rock band or a rock/pop album, then ending up with a Jekyll&Hyde sound would be a total failure as a production, regardless of if some dude out there like the sound or not.

[executioner]

I'm not particularly offended, but maybe I should be when someone just called all people in this thread for "really dumb".

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Now you and others can be offended, but when it comes right down to it its just my opinion and in the grand scheme of things none of our opinions really don't mean much.

So you are saying that our opinions do mean much?

On a personal level and us discussing a subject here yeah it means a lot, but in the grand schemes of all this do you think that they are taking any of our advices or opinions personally? No their not, so why should we?

[executioner]

I don't think it's dumb to compare things. What's dumb is to confuse production quality for musical style and preference. If you want your music to sound like it's all compressed into your own head - then there you go, there is Jekyll&Hyde for you. But if you for example prefer a more natural dynamic sounding rock band or a rock/pop album, then ending up with a Jekyll&Hyde sound would be a total failure as a production, regardless of if some dude out there like the sound or not.

Well I'm not the one confusing production quality with music style and preference. It's like comparing Lexus/Kia or a movie with a budget of $100 million versus a movie with a budget of $1million; they both will have great actors/musicians and substance, but after that the quality of production is all about the money. JDB did great work with the funding he had. Mutt Lange, Rick Rubin, or Bob Rock could not have done any better.

Like I said earlier this is just my opinion and let's just agree to disagree and move on.

[Boray]

Like I said earlier this is just my opinion and let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Ok

[Mountain Man]

No there are no facts here just opinions...

Incorrect. The fact is that objectively speaking, early Petra albums are the same overall quality as other artists of the day.

That you prefer certain stylistic choices over those employed by early Petra is based on opinion.

[DeSoto]

Now we know it:
Work has begun in earnest on the first album of original material from Classic Petra. With a planned 10 new songs + new versions of two classic tracks, it's the line-up's first album of 'new' songs since 'Beat The System'. Stand by for additional updates....and there will be plenty! (admin)

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[executioner]

No there are no facts here just opinions...

Incorrect. The fact is that objectively speaking, early Petra albums are the same overall quality as other artists of the day.

That you prefer certain stylistic choices over those employed by early Petra is based on opinion.

Like I said that's your opinion not mine.

Why don't we enjoy the news we are seeing about a new album, and for the final time agree to disagree and move on.

[adpetrafan]

Now we know it:
Work has begun in earnest on the first album of original material from Classic Petra. With a planned 10 new songs + new versions of two classic tracks, it's the line-up's first album of 'new' songs since 'Beat The System'. Stand by for additional updates....and there will be plenty! (admin)

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I posted the news in a new thread since this one is so hopelessly derailed.