CITS DVD project update

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:23 pm

Well, I've heard from Eddie DeGarmo at EMI and someone at StarSong (didn't even know they still existed as a division!) ...and we don't actually know the location of the masters of the CITS video! Apparently it was not logged when the assets of StarSong were acquired, which means that EMI doesn't have it in their library. Since I don't actually have a copy of the video itself, is there someone who can look at the box or the video itself and tell me if it seems to indicate that Word owns the material, or whose posession it might have wound up in? A scan of part or all of the cover might be instructive if you have a scanner... I'm thinking the orange area at the bottom of the back cover is probably what we need, but a readable scan of the entire back would be even better. I was also told that sales of many thousand would be required to make the project "worthwhile" from a production standpoint... which we already knew, and I think 400+ signatures on a non-official Web site means that there may well be even more interest out there than those few people who found the petition on the Web, so I think we still have a fighting chance if we can find the original films!

Anyone have any helpful info?

its231 · Post by **its231** » Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:37 pm

There is some footage of that concert on the dvd inpop did in promotion for the Revival album. At the end of the dvd it gives who gave them archival footage on there. It looks as there are about 6-8 sources for the stuff on there word is listed and so is star song. Micheal I also remember someone having info as to where the masters are at the moment. I remember someone posting on the old message board about them. They are out there someone has them and was holding on to them for some reason or another. I"m not sure when it was posted but I do remember on the old board someone saying there was owner who had them. I dont' know if this will help or not. I would contact Greg X Volz and see if he knows who has the masters. I think someone does we should really hunt this one down if we can I want to see this I"m 23 now and was only six then I would really get a huge kick out of seeing this whole concert from finish to end. Who knows along with the original footage there might be more stuff that was never put on the finished video. But I do remember someone posting some where on here saying someone has the masters somewhere and was holding onto them for some reason or didn't know exactly what to do with them. Sorry I hope that helps in some way bye for now.

Robert

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:00 am

I don't think Greg X. has them... he actually emailed me months ago and told me he thought it was a great idea and he was behind it, but if he had the original film masters he would have probably said so. My two top guesses as to where they might actually be at the moment are that either (1) Word has them or (2) Bob Hartman actually has them himself. I would really like to see the wording on the bottom of th eback of the videotape cover; that might be instructive.

The information on the Revival DVD is not helpful since it does not specify which footage was obtained where, but you know... contacting Inpop might be helpful. They might know where the permission to use that video was obtained. They may have ripped it straight off a VHS copy for all I know, so we still might not know where to get the actual masters, but they might know something!

Pethead1 · Post by **Pethead1** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:06 am

Greg does not have them. I asked him a copple of monts ago and he said he would like for us to keep him updated. He also wants CITAS on DVD.
He also said if there was any he could help to let hom know. I think he said he had signed the petishion( ya'll know I cant spell).
If we keep digging we will find what we need. Even if only the people who signed buy one they will make money. But I bet once it is out there a lot will be sold.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:04 pm

I don't know... only 450 or so units would probably be a pretty small response. But I would guess that for every one person who signed the petition, there's probably 3-4 out there who would buy it if they saw it in a store!

Greg X. did sign the petition.

spottacus · Post by **spottacus** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:24 pm

My sometimes faulty memory tells me that I remember someone saying that Bob has some of the original materials in storage...I think it said in his basement.

I don't know whether that was just speculation or whether someone actually knew, but it wouldn't hurt to ask.

Hey Bob, are you still checking in on this board from time to time?

Bob?

LexingtonPethead · Post by **LexingtonPethead** » Wed Dec 10, 2003 6:52 pm

Michael, I don't know if there is any way to measure this, but I know I can't be the only Pethead out there who would buy the CITAS DVD in multiples (more than one to give away).

I would do it in gratitude for putting out the DVD. Secondly, I would do it to (re)introduce others to Petra (again).

I realize that not everyone can do this because of limited finances. But I think there are enough of us out there who would do so without hesitation. What would they charge... $20 maybe? I would buy 4 or 5.

p-freak · Post by **p-freak** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 5:11 am

You might wanna try and contact Matthew Sterling. He's the producer of the Revival DVD and I guess he's the one who knows where all the material came from.
As for the masters of Captured, I guess they're lingering somewhere in an attic of EMI. They purchased Star Song, so probably they have all the masters of Petra's Star Song albums, including CITAS.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:56 am

EMI does not have them... I've exchanged emails with the person who is over the Star Song acquisitions, and he says that material "was not cataloged" when Star Song was brought into the EMI fold. He recommend that I contact Word and see if they have it. On the Bob thing... I'm so nervous that if he does have it, he'll refuse to release it again unless someone at EMI or Word or wherever presents him with a big incentive of some kind, financial or otherwise. I know Inpop marketed Revival as caving in to demands of the Petheads, and I do believe that's partly true but I think it's what John and Bob wanted to do, too. So I don't know that Bob would be on the side of those of us who want a DVD or not. I tend to think that he likes to focus very strongly on current Petra output, members, etc. and not really look to the past too much, even as a special "anniversary" thing.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying at all that I think Bob Hartman is some kind of moneygrubbing jerk. If that's how the last paragraph came across, I didn't mean it that way; I don't feel that way about Bob at all. I think he wants the current ministry of Petra to get the emphasis, and unless he feels there will be an infusion of capital that Petra needs, maybe to bankroll some low-paying dates or something, I don't know if he'll be too hot on the idea. And Bob, if you stop by and read this and I'm totally wrong about the situation, please let me know.

Historymaker · Post by **Historymaker** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:57 pm

And Bob, if you stop by and read this and I'm totally wrong about the situation, please let me know.

Why should Bob be obligated in anyway to confirm or deny his thoughts, feelings, misgivings, stance, justifications, ruminations, etc. etc. on said situation? Whether or not you are wrong?

It's really cool to be passionate about a Christ-centered ministry like so many people here are for Petra. However, I sometimes find it more disturbing than amusing on this board when I see the lengths or extent to which such passion ocasionally drives certain 'Petheads'.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting Captured in Time and Space reissued on DVD. Likewise, absolutely nothing wrong with petitioning , writing letters, or emailing the 'powers that be' in order to make this request a reality. In contrast, this depth of investigation as to WHY such a request may or may not be happening (i.e. location of masters, financial criteria) seems to tip the scale in the direction of overboard / overkill / obsession. Admittedly, this is just my opinion with which anyone and everyone has every right to disagree.

It's just somewhat remarkable that what started as "Hey, it sure would be cool to have a DVD of Captured in Time and Space" has become "This is my speculation as to why we Petheads aren't getting what we want. If I'm wrong Bob, take the time out of your probably busy schedule to inform me regarding this situation. After all, I'm a Pethead and there are no limits to my fandom. In the meantime, let's all call every person who has been REMOTELY involved with Petra over the last 30 years until we FIND THOSE MASTERS!!" (Ad libs of "Hey, I knew John Slick's mailman!" and "Hmmm... who worked on Ronny's Chevy?" are heard...)

Alright, alright... I got a little carried away on that last little bit (and no Michael, I do not intend this to be a personal attack against you). I'm just trying to add a bit of perspective from a lurker on the outside and how easily we can slip outside the parameters of being fans to being just plain overbearing. Take this post for whatever it's worth...

Whatever the case,

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays from our house to yours...

Ryan (Historymaker), Suzanne, and Hunter

Isaiah 9:6

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:11 pm

That was a bit harsh Ryan.

Petrapraise · Post by **Petrapraise** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:40 pm

Hey Ryan, you can't blame us for trying. Nothing is going to happen if we don't try. Alot of things are coming out on DVD from old video now. We just want to show our commitment to Petra by being loyal fans. As my pastor always said to me, "If you aim for nothing, you will hit it every time."

LexingtonPethead · Post by **LexingtonPethead** » Thu Dec 11, 2003 9:22 pm

Ryan, you are blowing this WAY out of proportion.

Michael is doing a superb job of spearheading the effort to bring a production DVD of CITAS to market. As with a most complex situations where solutions are not so obvious, it HELPS to bounce ideas around, maybe even THEORIES about how to accomplish a goal or a desired outcome. Michael more than adequately explained his logic so that he wouldn't be misunderstood.

Michael has done a lot of work on this and should be commended for it, not criticized.

And so what if we seem overly zealous about supporting a ministry that means a lot to each of us. We are Petheads. That's what we do here. You should expect nothing less on this board.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Dec 12, 2003 8:28 am

And Bob, if you stop by and read this and I'm totally wrong about the situation, please let me know.

Historymaker wrote:Why should Bob be obligated in anyway to confirm or deny his thoughts, feelings, misgivings, stance, justifications, ruminations, etc. etc. on said situation? Whether or not you are wrong?

Of course Bob is not "obligated" to say a thing, and usually he doesn't. I just wanted to acknowledge that he does turn up here and that I know I may be totally wrong about the idea that Petra is interested in focusing on current output and not interested in revisiting older materials. Frankly, if Bob got on here and said, I have the masters and thanks for your interest but I don't care to release them on DVD, that would release me from the responsibility of following up on the whole thing. It would let several people know, actually, that it's just not really going to happen, and I could quit bugging them.

And by the way, John Slick gave me his phone number.

bakersfieldpethead · Post by **bakersfieldpethead** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 7:54 am

Sorry guys, but you know me

Mr. Ryan, first off, merry Christmas to you and your family.

Next.

This depth of investigation as to WHY such a request may or may not be happening (i.e. location of masters, financial criteria) seems to tip the scale in the direction of overboard / overkill / obsession. Admittedly, this is just my opinion with which anyone and everyone has every right to disagree.

Bless you for letting me disagree.

In my opinion (and I'm giving it,) Petra has a lot to do to keep the ministry going. They may not have the time to worry about re-issues. But I think they know how blessed they are to have a fan base that is willing to take the steps of trying to get all that "other " stuff done, like finding old masters and investigating as to why and what it will take to get what we want released.

You see Record companies have these roads to take, so people can find out this type of information. Becuase Record companies know that if the fans are looking for it and it can make money, they're gonna do what they can to help us out. Some record companies will even let a fan who has lot's of money pay the amount to have a recording or video re-issud, Case in point, WORD, Inc. has a deal to where you can lease masters and as long as they get their pay, you have permision to release it on your own label. On another note also with WORD, you can pay for them to re-issue those masters themselves. No sweat. As long as the company gets money, they don't care.

We are just fans maybe that's true, but on the other hand, we've done quite a bit for the ministry of Petra in the past, there is no need to stop now....Petra means a lot to us

So why not help further their ministry?

Why not do what we can to see their legacy and ministry reach new people?

If anymore of their stuff goes out of print, guess what? We'll go to bat to see it re-issued again.....because there are people being born today and tomorrow and the next day and the day after that and so on, that will stumble across Petra at some point in their life. And if there is no means to buy Petra's collection on the current media that will be available in their time, then that just would not be good.

If we have a question for Bob, we'll ask it, it's up to Bob if he wants to answer or not. I've never heard of it being a bad idea to ask your favorite artist a question. We're not demanding anything, but if we have the freedom to ask, then why not?

I said my peace.....You know i can't keep away.......lol

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