DID MOST OF THE PETHEADS TURN INTO DEADHEADS?

[somewhere]

I tried to be funny in my first post about �retiredheads� but after reading the original post again the slam about �Petheads� not supporting Bob & John is rather harsh. Just because not everyone supported the plan YOU came up with does not mean that WE do not support them.

I am in agreement with PetraFan1. Bring back Petra.

And what kind of statement from trodLan - �Remember to pray for them, everyone, - And also you: petrafan1.� --- Just because he wants Petra. I want Petra too. I love Rock and Roll music and it can have A LOT of Jesus in it too.

On a different note:
I think they should change their name from II guys to LITT HART or HART LITT. Play on word for LIT HEART or HEART LIT.

[trodLAN]

Hi "Somewhere"
What's wrong with asking people at The Zone to pray for John and Bob?
What's wrong with also asking "petrafan1" to pray for II Guys, even though he doesn't like their new style. (Or like Petra more)
We should all pray for these guys, who have given their lives to Christ and are using their talents to praise the Lord. These two guys are some of the greatest talents in CCM today! This is actually a ministries, and they have a mission with what they are doing.
Let's all support them with our prayers!

BTW: LITT HART ?
Are you serious?

[Mexican Spud]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..................................sooo...............Has anyone seen any good movies lately?

[calicowriter]

Well I wasn't going to get into this discussion, but since I am "between jobs" what the heck.

I will admit that I have not been a contributor to the fund. However, I have tried to support John and Bob when and where I can. (Just call me the mule!) I have mixed feelings about the idea, so I can see both sides. Personally, I think perhaps the Club 3 Degrees deal might have been a poor case to argue. Unlike churches, who really do need the financial support most of the time to hold an event like a concert, Club 3 Degrees is a business. I would not be willing to fork out money just so this club can cut costs and make a profit.

However, to say you don't support II Guys because they aren't Petra is strange. OK, maybe you don't like VE, but a II Guys concert is a lot more than the VE songs. Most of the songs are Petra songs -- songs from every era of Petra. I think it is safe to say that given a choice, Bob and John would have loved to have continued with Petra in a full band configuration. But the times they are a changin', and the II Guys setup is the direction God has shown them so far. These are the windows God is opening.

I've had the opportunity to see II Guys in typical concert situations, and in church services/events. I feel their message and ministry is best served in the church setting. There it seems to be more about Jesus and less about the music or the technology, which in my mind, is how it should be.

[somewhere]

I am not against praying for Bob and John. Just do not like the fact that you single someone out when you implied that everyone should pray that would also include that person too.

I am very serious about the name Heart Lit or Lit Heart. You will be able to tell if I am being funny when I use the smiley faces.

They could call themselves Heart Lit. Have a song called Heart Lit. So you could have a debuting album called Heart Lit and hit song called Heart Lit. The graphics for the cover could be a cloudy or rocky background with a 3 dimensional Heart coming out of the it, with the heart exploding with light coming thru it. So basically you have their names in the group with a message about Jesus lighting up your heart. Plus the album could have worship and some rock and roll songs on it.

[epdc]

hehehehehehehe, yes, i know the correct way is "this is my 5 cents" (of opinion) but i believe my opinion is very important so "this is my dollar" in this topic hahahahahahahaha :p


Look, lets be completely honest. Bob and John ARE PETRA OK. Yes, the dream team is ronny, johnny, louie and they two but we can truly say that bob and john ARE PETRA, they are like the foundation and the dream team could be like part of the building but NOT the foundation. We might love THAT part of the building but they are not like the essence ya know.

If you think about it, revival and vertical expressions have the SAME style. Well, not 100% the same ( in fact we cant say all petra cd�s are the same, each one is different in style, they have something special that makes them different). But ya know they are praise and worship and they have guitars and drums and all.

Yes there are differences but in essence i believe they are the same. I believe what some people dont like the title TWO GUYS instead of PETRA, and somehow in our minds it makes us dont like so much the cd (well i actually like it , i wanna thank julie for her donation to my organization which is ME, INCORPORTATION hehehehe by giving me a free copy)

if you ask me they could call themselves PETRA TALKS OR THE T.N. SUPER GUYS OR WHATEVER, IF JOHN AND BOB ARE ON IT, they are petra.

[pethead]

I sure can't choose sides here. I too wish Petra was still a full on band with the full show or whatever..that would of course be cool..and I see absolutely nothing wrong with wishing for that at all. However, their retirement is official, so we all need to get over it and if we are truly fans of Petra we need to support in every way we can what the II Guys from our favorite band are doing for the Lord...even if it just with our words on a public forum. Let's speak blessings upon them even if the music they are doing is not what we would typically listen to on a regular basis.

By the way...any news on John's new solo release?? That one is supposed to rock.

[74CAPethead]

That is VERY SAD Petrafan1�I sure hope Bob & John don�t read your post! Imagine how they would feel if they did. And I noticed you said �We�, are you speaking on behalf of all the Petheads? So what happened to change your mind? On April 29, 2006 you posted this: �let us know what to do, I am in also�

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If you had the opportunity to see II Guys live, you might just change the way you think about them! I love rock & roll too, I grew up listening to Petra since the �70s, and I went through a very difficult time of grieving when Petra retired. I didn�t want to believe it. Even after I watched my Farewell DVD, I was still SO bummed about them retiring, I just laid on my bed and cried. And I would probably still be crying if the Lord hadn�t brought Bob & John back together! The Lord has given them such extraordinary gifts and I�m just SO excited that the Lord has opened the door for them to continue their �ministry�! Why should they be called Bob & John? I don�t see what difference it makes what they call themselves�Bob & John = II Guys from Petra and II Guys from Petra = Bob & John! No Bob & John = No Petra! Bob & John are the HEART & SOUL of PETRA! So in my opinion they ARE PETRA! I was hoping, praying and dreaming for a comeback�so to me, Bob & John are now�my DREAM TEAM!

My Husband and I went to see II Guys in Arizona in December 2006! After the concert I told Bob that �I�ve been to over 25 Petra concerts, but I LOVED hearing them (II GUYS) just as much, maybe even MORE than a Petra concert��that�s how GREAT it was!!! I was SO BLOWN AWAY by how incredible just the two of them sounded! It�s really kind of hard to put into words, but it was a wonderful time of worship! And at the same time it was so much fun�because the two of them are such a crack up! You could tell Bob & John were having a blessed time too! Actually, I�ve never seen Bob smile SO much! I think he smiled more in one night than I�ve seen him smile at all the Petra concerts I�ve been to! It was just so much more warm, personal and intimate to hear them share from their hearts! And one of the VERY SPECIAL songs that they played since it was almost Christmas, was O Holy Night�and OH MAN�hearing just Bob on his acoustic guitar and John�s voice�it brought you to tears and gave you goose bumps all over�serious�they sounded so amazing! I wish I had THAT on a CD�it was the most wonderful O Holy Night I�ve ever heard! Out of all the songs they played that night, my Husband said, he liked that song the best�it brought him to tears too! But Bob still rocked out on his electric acoustic guitar too; I was totally surprised to hear him also play all the Petra ROCK songs! I knew how talented Bob & John were already so I knew their concert was going to be GREAT but hearing them play (just the two of them), was even better than I could have imagined�they are SPECTACULAR!!! I can�t wait to see them again in Oceanside and Redlands and wherever else I can!

To you who think I sounded harsh, I�m sorry for that�but it�s so frustrating when you call and call different churches and get the same response, it�s always the "money" issue�not that they aren�t interested in having II Guys�most of them are thrilled with excitement to hear the news that they are doing this acoustic tour! All I�m trying to do is help�it has nothing to do with MY idea�if anybody has different ideas that they think will work, then please share them!

I really honestly didn�t think that asking the Petheads to donate $1.00-$10.00 was asking too much and NO the Guys had nothing to do with this idea or anything about it. I just thought it would be really cool if the Petheads could unite together and we could all help Bob & John to be able to go to these churches that want to have them but maybe can�t afford the airfare and hotel! Not that it�s our �responsibility� to support them�I just feel that they�ve blessed ALL of us for many, many years and are still blessing us! So I thought it would be a great �gift� from ALL of our hearts, to give back to them some blessings, by helping them to get out there and play in more churches. And not only will II Guys be blessed, but all the people that hear them will be too! And hopefully more lives will be changed forever!

As far as Club 3 Degrees�according to Sue�s post to MinnesotaPethead, the reason that concert wasn�t happening was because they wouldn�t pay for their travel expenses. That�s what I meant we could contribute towards. I wasn�t trying to argue my point for Club 3 Degrees; it was just an example of how together we could help send II Guys to Minnesota, (if Bob & John were willing to play there). But I agree with you Bridget, I wouldn�t want my contribution to be used for the club to make a profit and not pay II Guys what they deserve!

I think we (The Petheads) are all in the same boat, but we�re all rowing in different directions and not going anywhere! Some Petheads are willing to accept this new direction for Bob & John and some aren�t. Some Petheads are SO EXCITED and THANKFUL that the Lord has brought Bob & John together to continue to minister and some Petheads just want Petra (the band) back, period! I love Petra (the band) too but only God knows whether Petra will or will not have a comeback. I�m just SO GLAD we have II Guys rather than ZERO Guys! If the Lord wants Bob & John to continue in this new direction I will still stand behind the II of them 100%. I hope all the Petheads will too! Bob & John deserve it!

[bleedinghero]

interesting discussion.

i don't usually post here, i prefer lurking and have done so comfortably for about seven years now. well, i used to post a lot back when i didn't have much of a life (thank God i had Petra!) but these days it's mainly just reading, if i drop by at all.

but i digress. i just wanted to say something about the whole II Guys concept and john and bob's current musical direction. and a bit about perspective.

i think it's great they are still playing. as 74CAPethead said, better II Guys than ZERO guys. it may not be Petra as we used to know the band but the essence of Petra is intact. remember, Petra started because Bob and company wanted to spread the gospel through rock music and not the other way around. three decades have passed, various musical genres have been explored, but the mission has remained the same. even in retirement, john and bob pursue their true calling.

does it suck that they don't rock like they used to? sure. does it disappoint me that they are simply II Guys and not the best, most rib-popping, hair-follicle-disintegrating Christian rock band on the planet? not really. Petra has come and gone, just as we will all come and go. it's nature, life, destiny. it was a blast while they lasted and the memories will remain.

what's thrilling is that john and bob are still on the circuit. trust me, you have no idea how blessed you are.

i live in the philippines and have been a Petra fan for 15 years now. i have most of their albums. i have been blessed with the opportunity to interview bill glover and john degroff, as well as personally communicate with bob hartman and john schlitt. i have exchanged emails with other Petra members over the years and have enjoyed running a fairly good Petra fansite. you will not find a more fanatical pethead this side of the world.

but for all my support, avid teeth gnashing, and ardent headbanging to petra's music, i have never, EVER seen them live in concert. and i probably never will.

do you realize how disappointing that is for me? petra will never come to the philippines - heck, II Guys will probably never drop by either. my most favorite band in the world and i've never seen them up close and personal.

you guys in the US have it good. petra may not be around anymore but at least you have bob and john (plus an upcoming reunion concert i hear). as usual, i will simply imagine what it's like to see and hear these guys live. but that's as far as it goes for me.

count your blessings guys. if you don't have Petra, at least you have II Guys. i have hardly anything. VE isn't even available in this country. all i have is an old and incomplete CD collection.

yet here, in my crappy third world house, surviving on a monthly paycheck that won't even pay for a week's worth of groceries where you are, i am content. God is faithful. the weather is hot. i'm doing what i love. and Beyond Belief, 16 years on, still rocks.

dan

[calicowriter]

God's Blessing upon you Dan!

Yes, we in the US ARE lucky -- in countless ways. And I have to say that I personally love what John and Bob are doing. I sincerely hope I get to see the Legends concert in Denver, and the main reason why? I would like to see more Christian artists bringing Jesus to the people. Like in the early 70's and the Jesus movement. None of those folks thought about getting rich off the music. They did it because they loved Jesus and wanted the world to love Him too. They did it because they enjoyed it. They did it because they felt God's calling.

As much as I love to rock, I support any medium that reaches folks where they are. If John and Bob felt that polka music would reach hurting people, I'd say Go for it. I may not listen to such a recording much, but then, if it caused people to praise our Father and stir their spirits, I'd thank God for it.

I guess what I am saying is that I think too many are hung up on what Petra was, and their refusal to accept that time has come and gone. Times change, music changes, people change. By whining and wishing for something that just ain't gonna be helps no one.

[Shell]

Good post Bridget. It's normal to an extent to resist change...Hey, I'm the first to admit I'm a creature of habit and once I decide I like something I can get cranky if what I'm used to changes in some way. But you can miss out on a lot by not accepting change or wishing too much for things that are past. If it was meant for Petra to still be the "dream team" that's what they would be.

[greenchili]

Just a small little two cent comment. But you have to figure that alot of people in churches these days do not even know who Petra is/was much less who Bob and John are.

So support from their already existing fan base kinda helps in getting them in the churches so they can see and get a taste for themselves.

If you havn't already, hope over to Trodland's site and check the II Guyz concert out. It really is pretty nice.

Plus if they happen to be able to come by your church it is a chance to get to know them up close and more personal.

Certainly beats an artist going around singing trax..

[adrinux]

Great post Dan, I felt privileged to see them rocking in this final tour...
On my State, at my City, I never thought it would come true, but I happenned and I thank God everyday for that!

but, now coming back to the subject of the topic...

I'm not donating cause I live in Brazil, it'd be a little difficult for me to send money to you there... but, here is what I think about the replies of this topic




as we discuss here, churches that want II Guys still dont have money enough to afford the concert....

[sue d.]

It always seems to come down to that.... dollars & cents. I hear it from churches & promoters all the time... breaks my heart.

But for a great example of something positive, Oceanside Calvary didn't have enough funds to sponsor the Guys for two services; they only could afford one. So the one worship service was sponsored by the Pethead Concert Fund. So thanks to a few loyal Petheads, the guys played at both services.