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Post by brent » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:07 am

Mountain Man wrote:As long as an altar call is followed up with solid, long-term discipleship with a seasoned Christian then I really don't have a problem. It's when people respond to an altar call and are sent away with a shallow "I've accepted Jesus. What now?" leaflet that things go awry.
When battling with this in my mind, these questions come up:
1. Jesus, the church, the disciples, apostles used confrontational apologetic speech to reason with people.
2. Music was used for battle, to tell stories of victories in battle and deliverance from slavery, and praise to God. At some point during Isreals captivity, they had nothing to sing about, and did not for atleast a hundred years.
3. Music appeals to the senses first. We as humans are mostly likely to give in to our senses before reason. Carnal people are REALLY more likely.
4. Music concerts today are not what they were 10 and 20 years ago, let alone in bible times. If you watch any classic concerts on VHS from the 70s, 80s...people are comparitively reserved, the music was not as edgy as it is today...society was in a different place. Today, music is more urban, more agressive, more edgy.
5. I have a problem with concerts, even Petra's when mixed by Wayne Saboa. Unless you knew the words, some venues had poor acoustics, and Wayne's mix had John so far back, that there was no chance the message could be heard.
6. Then I go to the flip side, as in what I have personally seen. Kids saved. Who am I to say God cannot work at a show. It may be that the band is shallow in their faith, that the band parties after the show, that they suck even, but one song may hit home and encourage the kids to make a decision that they were already close to making.
7. You can't get apologetic reasoning into a song. Songs are based on the K.I.S.S. method. If people need real help, then they should be able to find a friend, find a church, find someone somewhere to help them. A band is not a branch of the church, is not governed by the church, is not held accountable by the church, is not long term like the church. The church is the hands, the feet, the eyes of Christ. WE are the church. WE should be the ministry. It is sad that the church has sucked so bad at it, and now rock bands are seen as a replacement. What a disservice to everyone invloved.
8. This is not to say bands should not live their Christian walk and lead people to Christ. But there is more to it than getting someone to say a prayer.
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Post by calicowriter » Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:43 am

Oh my, this MUST be the End Times! I agree with Brent! :shock:

Seriously though, while it would be nice that at every Christian concert or event there were counselors and such, the fact is, it is the responsibility of EVERY Christian to evangelize, and that means taking the time to answer a friend's questions or guide them to someone who can. If you bring someone to a concert hoping it will speak to their heart, you are responsible for fanning the flame.

Also, I think that we need to give the Holy Spirit a bit more credit. If He tugs at a non-believer's heart, He won't relent. He knows our weaknesses and I'm sure allows for our human error.
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Post by imc » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:40 am

p-freak wrote: But I'm confused when it comes to the site that trodLAN posted in another thread: http://www.myspace.com/iiguyz
Are they still seriously gonna call themselves II Guyz From Petra?? I surely hope not...
Yeah, what's that about??!
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Post by sue d. » Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:34 am

Would II Guys from Petra (with an S) be better?

What WOULD you like to use as a moniker? (here goes the can of worms again!) :P
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Post by calicowriter » Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:20 am

sue d. wrote:Would II Guys from Petra (with an S) be better?

What WOULD you like to use as a moniker? (here goes the can of worms again!) :P
Assuming that Bob has his heart set on something similar to what we have here, I have to say that I never underestimate the ability of humans to be stupid ("Duh, eleven guys from Petra? What's that mean?"), I would ditch the roman numerals in favor of the number '2' and yes, an 's' instead of the 'z'.

If I were given MY choice for the identifier, I would use 'Hartman and Schlitt' in a very classy script logo. And, while we are having creative fun, I'd have the CD cover have a photo of two old wooden rockers on a porch, and on the back cover, those same rockers with Bob and John sitting in them. Subtle humor. ;)
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Post by winterlens » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:54 am

I'd personally rather see John and Bob than Hartman and Schlitt. I think it worked well enough for Shane and Shane, and I prefer the more familiar moniker than the less.
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Post by brent » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:12 pm

Howabout:

Pinckin' & Grinnin'
John & Bob's Awesome Adventure
Bob & John's Awesome Adventure
Two old guys that refuse to quit!
Two old guys that blew my hearing in Tulsa in 1986.
Petrafied Guyz
Petrafied Guys
Petrafied Guyz coming to yo' hood yo'
Petrafied Guys gonna bust a cap in the devils.....
Bob and John
BobJohn or JohnBob (arkansas version)
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Post by brent » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:13 pm

calicowriter wrote:Oh my, this MUST be the End Times! I agree with Brent! :shock:

Seriously though, while it would be nice that at every Christian concert or event there were counselors and such, the fact is, it is the responsibility of EVERY Christian to evangelize, and that means taking the time to answer a friend's questions or guide them to someone who can. If you bring someone to a concert hoping it will speak to their heart, you are responsible for fanning the flame.

Also, I think that we need to give the Holy Spirit a bit more credit. If He tugs at a non-believer's heart, He won't relent. He knows our weaknesses and I'm sure allows for our human error.
We aren't that far apart in real life. On the board, it's a different story.
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Post by Shell » Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:34 pm

Brent, those CD titles are a riot. LOL.

For the record, I don't agree with everything you've ever said, but I do understand where you're coming from most of the time and think you know what you're talking about more often than not. Some people have a blunter way of expressing themselves, and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that. When you stop to think about it, that might be a good thing in some ways...At least you don't have to wonder what someone who is a little blunter is thinking. :D There's a balancing point between being honest and not totally trashing someone in the process that can be hard to find sometimes.

Things would be pretty boring if we didn't have personality differences, and you get used to that sort of thing or at least learn not to take it personally after you've been posting here for awhile. :wink:
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Post by Mountain Man » Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:58 am

sue d. wrote:Would II Guys from Petra (with an S) be better?

What WOULD you like to use as a moniker? (here goes the can of worms again!) :P
I think a simple "Hartman & Schlitt" would have been classy.
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Post by Pethead1 » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:18 am

I like Hartman & Schlitt maybe a little bigger and over in much lighter color Bob & John.

I hope ya'll can see that in your head. I do like the rockers too.
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Post by Kane » Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:16 am

I like 'Guys' much more than 'Guyz', but I still don't like it. They should either remain as "Petra" or drop the name all together. If the name Petra doesn't sell anymore, then why put it on there? People who are fans know who John and Bob are, they don't need the name Petra on the cover. If it's 'Hartman & Schlitt' or something like that, people who aren't Petra fans might pick it up not knowing who they are and discover some great music.

I guess I just don't know why they'd retire "Petra" and then keep using the name.
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Post by Kirkman » Wed Nov 29, 2006 11:24 am

I completely agree on the "Petra" point. They either need to resurrect the band or just drop the name completely.

The whole "II Guys/II Guyz" thing is just silly. And I don't mean that it's funny.

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Post by johnathan » Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:57 pm

Ok,I have been reading these post for a long time without saying anything. Here is my 2 cents worth. Why in the world are we complaning about the name of the new cd. Aren't you (guyz) excited to see that Bob and John are doing anything? I for one could care less if they called it (pig in a blanket) It is Bob and John. They have been doing this for a long time,and know what they want to do and how they want to. Quit complaining and just be glad that we are getting a cd. Man I really don't like seeing all this putting them down. Either you are for them putting a Cd out or not.Just let them do there thing. Man, This is so crazy. They still feel the need to put out stuff and use their talents for God Out of all this they are probably doing it to give us a little more,I am glad they are. Bob could just say ok who cares about the Fan's but no,he is doing one more thing for us and we should be thankful. I am here to say THANK YOU Bob and John,if you are reading this stuff and now feel like ok these guys don't even appreciate what we are doing let's don't do anything else I would understand. Now lets stand behind our guys and buy this thing and quit being so mean.
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Post by Rocksoup » Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:08 pm

I for one, like Hartman and Schlitt alot better. It sounds like it could feasibly carry some weight. Using 2 names for a duo has always been a safe bet. For Example:
Starsky and Hutch
Ren and Stimpy
Simon and Garfunkle
Simon and Simon
Beavis and Butthead
Sonny and Cher
Hardcastle and McCormick
Scarecrow and Mrs King
They just roll off the tongue so nice. I guess time will tell if "Hartman and Schlitt" join the ranks with these other 2 name heavy hitters.
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