Re: BTTR Must Be Selling Well
Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:50 pm
Boy kind of on the defensive there are we?
No, we need to move on.petraman wrote:Now the claws come out!
This is not about my or anyone else's opinion. This is about right and wrong, the law, the bible and you screwing the artists because you are too poor to buy music. That is not anyone's problem but yours. If you don't make enough money, you don't get any. Work harder. Work smarter. But don't steal because you are too broke.separateunion wrote:That's right, let that Christian fruit shine. I'm sick of your attitude. You think you're better than everyone else and that your opinion is fact and can't be challenged. Get over yourself and go stuff it.brent wrote:SU, are you THAT STUPID?
That's not what the Bible says, so you're already arguing from a false premise.The bible is plain...do not take it.
Well, your theology is bad, but I already knew that.If you drive to the physical address of a brick and mortar house and stick a CD in your pocket, or if you go the electronic address of someone's computer in their house and download it, you are not paying for it, the artist is not being paid for it, and God is going to allow the devourer to come reap a bunch of crap in your life. THAT is what would freak me out.
It's not the same. Plain and simple. For one thing, stealing a CD involves other physical properties that are being stolen that aren't related to the music itself such as the tangible CD, the jewel case, the inserts, etc. The music is an intangible that can't be stolen. I'm not sure how having songs on my computer is any different than going to youtube and listening to the song over and over. Or recording what I listen to on the radio. Unless those are somehow crimes now. Either way, I'm not "purchasing" the music or "contributing" to the artist. Which I couldn't afford to do anyways. So, either way, they wouldn't be making money off of me on CD sales.
Cute. One problem: I didn't download music until after Petra retired. But keep patting yourself on the back for making faulty assumptions. Problem number two: I've purchased every single new Petra album up through J&H. I plan on purchasing BTTR next week after I get paid. But you're right, I killed Petra. It wasn't the fact that they became stale and obsolete in an ever shrinking market. It was all me.How about that. SU helped kill Petra. How do you like those apples?
Nope. I've been visiting torrent sites that have been around for 6 or more years. They don't just get "shut down". I've seen a few get wrapped up in litigation, but it's always a murky issue. No one ever completely steps in and say "you're done." The RIAA only goes after someone often enough to try to scare people away from torrents, but they never come out of those settlements with much money because they barely have a leg to stand on. If the laws were clear, the RIAA would be hitting people hard and often. But they don't.Torrents with copyright protected material are illegal everywhere. Plain and simple. There are some that exist for a while, until due process has transpired and then they are shut down.
Where did I say you didn't deserve any money? Also, I've never listened to PDC, so go take your frustration out on someone else. It has nothing to do with "some old law". It has everything to do with the fact that intellectual property is near impossible to define, nor is it necessarily a God given right. Unfortunately, Western society has distorted the Bible so much that no one really knows what it actually says because they're too busy trying to find Biblical support for the worldview they've already created for themselves.So don't you freakin' tell me that I don't deserve the money I worked for, and paid in advance to Schlitt, Weaver, Bailey, Lawry, and all the rest of the guys, because some law is old and not worded to include modern terms for things. It is sad that "Christians" have become so ignorant to believe that taking from another person, Christians even, is ok, because they are led by the nose, by the government no less. They would rather dance around truth while on the dime of the Christian musician.
How is this not indirectly calling someone stupid?!?bakersfieldpethead wrote:I'm through with this, there's better things to talk about. This isn't solving anything, I'm not going to call someone stupid, If they put that label on their own face, then so be it. I know in my heart what's right and wrong and as long as I live according to how God tells me to and I stay true to my convictions I'll be alright. Those who choose to brush away conviction and try to somehow justify their actions will answer to God for what they do.
I just have to make sure I obey God in my life.
Anything can be made into something p-freak; it all depends on how deep in between the lines you want to go. Gotta draw the line somewhere.p-freak wrote:How is this not indirectly calling someone stupid?!?bakersfieldpethead wrote:I'm through with this, there's better things to talk about. This isn't solving anything, I'm not going to call someone stupid, If they put that label on their own face, then so be it. I know in my heart what's right and wrong and as long as I live according to how God tells me to and I stay true to my convictions I'll be alright. Those who choose to brush away conviction and try to somehow justify their actions will answer to God for what they do.
I just have to make sure I obey God in my life.
I kept all of my arguments within the framework of scripture, quoting scripture that says we are not to steal, we are to pay those that minister to us, and those that minister should reap the reward of the ministry. SU rejects that, calling it incorrect doctrine or something like that. Those are plain as day texts taken in context.p-freak wrote:You know, Brent. I can understand why this is a big deal for artists such as yourself.
But the problem in this debate is that it's like a trench war. You fire rockets and mustard gas at SU (and sometimes at me) and hope that by shouting loud enough and using strong enough language you're able to blast him off their feet. I have a problem with that.
I don't mind to discuss this issue, but all the replies I've had so far from mainly Bakes, and also from you, don't give me the feeling that we're having a discussion here. Discussing means that you would at least assume that I have good reasons to believe that my own point of view is valid within a Christian and Biblical framework. Hardly anyone here has expressed anything like that towards either SU or myself.
I have a problem with you calling SU stupid and hiding behind Bible verses to justify that.
I hate it when you feel ripped off because people download your product everywhere without paying for it, but don't take it out on SU. Just because you feel ripped off, doesn't mean that you have the truth fully on your side. Please cut some slack here.
Just as CDs, Cassettes, Reel to Reel, Lps, 8-track and the Wire were all AUDIO Specific Formats. Nothing is free. Just as you pay to have CDs to put your music on, you pay for the technology to convert your music to mp3s or any other digital format. CDA is a digital format. ipods, zunes and other mp3 players all have to be payed for, just like a CD Player, Cassette Player and Turn Table. The music you hear is the product. The format in which you hear it is the the way it is delivered to you.MP3 is an audio-specific format that was designed by the Moving Picture Experts Group as part of its MPEG-1 standard and later extended in MPEG-2 standard.