The Petra Zone

I'm guessing it is the language barrier.

I believe that he has given up on Petra and being a fan, because he thinks John is holding a cigarette, to appeal to a wider audience to further sales over the message. That is what I believe, based on a PM. I told him that he is making a bad decision, for the wrong reason, because the pic does NOT show John holding a cig or smoking. This is a shame, but this is how knee-jerk and right wing people can be, when they do not have the facts and perceive something that is not reality.

IF John DID smoke, which he doesn't, and IF John DID drink a beer every now and then, I would not hold it against him, or God. It does not change the message of the Gospel or it's effectiveness. It is not John that regenerates, justifies, etc. It is GOD. True, it would not be ideal for his image and testimony. But, John is not a pastor, teacher, bishop, etc. John is an artist that uses art to minister. He is not sanctioned or managed by a church or para church organization.

Before some of you say John should or should not do "x" or "y", make sure you do not put any harmful things into your bodies (Coke, candy, tainted produce, processed meats, etc), don't eat too much, sleep too much, etc. All I am saying is a cig and a smoke is not going to keep someone out of heaven any more than overindulging at the chocolate fountain at Golden Choral will.

Mountain Man wrote:

brent wrote:If they could have done this right after CITAS and then bypassed all of the J&D records, then I would have been one happy cat.

But then we wouldn't have "Wake Up Call" which is one of their best sounding albums. I would rather they skipped everything post WUC and went straight to "Jekyll & Hyde".

I feel the same way; I would leave everything out post WUC to pre JAH with the exception of PP2. PP2 sounds alot like WUC sonic wise and even though it seems to be a bit mellower then previous offerings I think its their best praise album and is in top 10 catagory for Petra.
BTW after listening to John's interview last week on his comments about the No Doubt album I went back and listened to it for a full day just to see if I could finally come to terms with it and like it, I've come to the assessment that my first and all impressions are still the same and it is by far Petra's worst offering. The only song that remotely does anything for me would be the title track and maybe "Enter In".

brent wrote:I believe that he has given up on Petra and being a fan, because he thinks John is holding a cigarette, to appeal to a wider audience to further sales over the message. That is what I believe, based on a PM. I told him that he is making a bad decision, for the wrong reason, because the pic does NOT show John holding a cig or smoking. This is a shame, but this is how knee-jerk and right wing people can be, when they do not have the facts and perceive something that is not reality.

IF John DID smoke, which he doesn't, and IF John DID drink a beer every now and then, I would not hold it against him, or God. It does not change the message of the Gospel or it's effectiveness. It is not John that regenerates, justifies, etc. It is GOD. True, it would not be ideal for his image and testimony. But, John is not a pastor, teacher, bishop, etc. John is an artist that uses art to minister. He is not sanctioned or managed by a church or para church organization.

Before some of you say John should or should not do "x" or "y", make sure you do not put any harmful things into your bodies (Coke, candy, tainted produce, processed meats, etc), don't eat too much, sleep too much, etc. All I am saying is a cig and a smoke is not going to keep someone out of heaven any more than overindulging at the chocolate fountain at Golden Choral will.

Hopefully he hasn't gone to the extreme that he should feel like Petra is no longer effective.

I think he is there.

Wow... kinda reminds me of the misheard lyrics of "God Is Too Big" story.. I don't see how someone so familiar with John and/or Petra gets things like this mixed up. It seems to be that they are looking to find something wrong. They need to listen to the beginning of Judas' Kiss... backwards lol..

Honestly, I can seeee (sorta) how it would look like that... but come on its obvious thats not what it is. John is holding his hand close to his mouth (probably arranged by the photographer) and what Leandro might be seein as a "cigarette" is clearly the rings that John wears (one on his ring finger and one on his middle)

I agree with Brent's comments on this 100% and Jonathan's video is a spitting image of my reaction to this post lol!

Brent, watch it! you're hitting way too close to home with your overindulging at the chocolate fountain at Golden Choral comment (btw, it's corral). Choral is a singing group of people (too much music on your mind, I guess).

Speaking of "God is Too Big," I was just thinking about this today. Why is it that no one 'mis-hears' "God is TOO BIG to fail?"

ya know?

"...looking for evil wherever we can find it..."

Dangitalltoheck. Golden choir. Funny.

BTW, while we are on the subject of choirs and golden and chocolate....did anyone see the movie with Dolly and Queen Latifah? That movie made me sick. That kind of crap really happens, and it is all about the show biz and performance, rather than a REAL message or some REAL praising. My wife made me watch it with her and the girls. Two hours of my life I will never get back.

wasn't this discussed way back when J & H was first released?

brent wrote:...
IF John DID smoke, which he doesn't, and IF John DID drink a beer every now and then, I would not hold it against him, or God. It does not change the message of the Gospel or it's effectiveness. It is not John that regenerates, justifies, etc. It is GOD. True, it would not be ideal for his image and testimony. But, John is not a pastor, teacher, bishop, etc. John is an artist that uses art to minister. He is not sanctioned or managed by a church or para church organization.
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+1

sue d. wrote:Speaking of "God is Too Big," I was just thinking about this today. Why is it that no one 'mis-hears' "God is TOO BIG to fail?"

"Too big to fail" is a well-known catch phrase promoted by Obama during the bailout scam, so it's a lot harder to "mis-hear" it in the song.

pethead97 wrote: wasn't this discussed way back when J & H was first released?

Yeah, it was, and John Schlitt's reaction was basically, "Seriously, how stupid are you people?" though he's far to nice to have put it exactly like that.

"Too big to fail" is a well-known catch phrase promoted by Obama

Guess that's why I didn't recognize it... Obama and I don't exactly get along.

sue d. wrote:

"Too big to fail" is a well-known catch phrase promoted by Obama

Guess that's why I didn't recognize it... Obama and I don't exactly get along.

Yeah him & I seem to disagree alot also; thank God he will be gone by Jan.