John @ Chrystal Cathedral

[gman]

I agree that Schuller appears to be a heretic. But we all know that John is on target with the Gospel. Maybe through John's appearance someone will check out his music or website and hear the authentic Gospel of Christ. Isn't that ultimately what John is about? What's the difference between John appearing on Schuller or on TBN? Some of the stuff on TBN is worse than anything Schuller has ever said. Yet, both Charles Stanley and Billy Graham air television programs on TBN. Just a thought.

I agree on the TBN stuff. When I was searching for info on Shuller, I came across an interview he did with Billy Graham. He asked Billy about people that come from other faiths like Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, and people from remote places that haven't heard the gospel; whether Graham thought they would be in Heaven. Graham answered with a yes. Shuller pressed him on his answer and Graham said something to the effect of I believe so. Based on my research of Shuller, I know Shuller was going down the road of multiple, valid ways to God. Graham seemed be sticking to the theme of those who have never heard the gospel. It seemed he was merely suggesting that any of those people that make it into heaven, it is because they reject the faith or culture they were brought up in and instead worship an unknown God or unknown Creator that they are certain exists. I believe he's wrong on that; that it's a tough case to make. It was interesting interview. You could almost see the glow on Shuller's face, as if he had just discovered a like-minded friend. Not exactly. Graham has a question and answer column that runs in our local paper, and I find it to be fairly solid most of the time.
I knew Shuller was different, but I had no idea he had taken the train to crazy town. I guess some of the folks at TBN get more press in that respect.

GMan

[Shell]

Billy Graham is one of the few TV evangelists who is careful to keep his ministry God-centered. Of course he's not perfect either, but he seems to be more in line with the Gospel than most of the others are.

[sue d.]

THIS Sunday, July 13, you can all see for yourself what the Crystal Cathedral's service is all about.

John will appear both online and on TV.

To find your TV listing:
http://www.crystalcathedral.org/hour_of ... /index.php
(via TBN and Lifetime)

Online:
http://www.crystalcathedral.org/hour_of_power/index.php

We'll get this on jws.com once the DVD arrives - in case you miss it.

[brent]

I just heard today that the old "hour of power" man thinks that Muslims are Christians and are very positive people. WHAT? Maybe they are positive that they will blow something up in the next 7-10 days.

I need to watch the Larry King interview for myself. But that is the way the it is being summarized by a well known Christian apologist.

[Dan]

http://www.crystalcathedral.org/hour_of ... review.php

Check out the preview, John sounds awesome!

[executioner]

Its great that John is getting the exposure he deserves, but I'm having doubts about the way this is going.

[Jonathan]

Its great that John is getting the exposure he deserves, but I'm having doubts about the way this is going.

Meaning John's legacy is about to be dragged through a trough of runny hog filth? And therefore John will convert from rational faith to weirdo faith?

Or are your doubts more about the ratings Hour of Power will get?

Or that John will be seen with that weird looking guy from the metal band, and he might influence John to get a tattoo on his neck of Matthew something or other?

That is worrisome, and I think we should all panic.

[executioner]

Its great that John is getting the exposure he deserves, but I'm having doubts about the way this is going.

Meaning John's legacy is about to be dragged through a trough of runny hog filth? And therefore John will convert from rational faith to weirdo faith?

Or are your doubts more about the ratings Hour of Power will get?

Or that John will be seen with that weird looking guy from the metal band, and he might influence John to get a tattoo on his neck of Matthew something or other?

That is worrisome, and I think we should all panic.

This is one time where your humor lacks anything funny. I hope you didn't take that personally because 9/10 times your humor is right on.

[executioner]

I agree that Schuller appears to be a heretic. But we all know that John is on target with the Gospel. Maybe through John's appearance someone will check out his music or website and hear the authentic Gospel of Christ. Isn't that ultimately what John is about? What's the difference between John appearing on Schuller or on TBN? Some of the stuff on TBN is worse than anything Schuller has ever said. Yet, both Charles Stanley and Billy Graham air television programs on TBN. Just a thought.

I agree on the TBN stuff. When I was searching for info on Shuller, I came across an interview he did with Billy Graham. He asked Billy about people that come from other faiths like Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, and people from remote places that haven't heard the gospel; whether Graham thought they would be in Heaven. Graham answered with a yes. Shuller pressed him on his answer and Graham said something to the effect of I believe so. Based on my research of Shuller, I know Shuller was going down the road of multiple, valid ways to God. Graham seemed be sticking to the theme of those who have never heard the gospel. It seemed he was merely suggesting that any of those people that make it into heaven, it is because they reject the faith or culture they were brought up in and instead worship an unknown God or unknown Creator that they are certain exists. I believe he's wrong on that; that it's a tough case to make. It was interesting interview. You could almost see the glow on Shuller's face, as if he had just discovered a like-minded friend. Not exactly. Graham has a question and answer column that runs in our local paper, and I find it to be fairly solid most of the time.
I knew Shuller was different, but I had no idea he had taken the train to crazy town. I guess some of the folks at TBN get more press in that respect.

GMan

Doesn't the Bible say somewhere that everyone will have a chance to receive the Gospel?

[Jonathan]

You're right. I wasn't the funny one in that exchange.

[brent]

I agree that Schuller appears to be a heretic. But we all know that John is on target with the Gospel. Maybe through John's appearance someone will check out his music or website and hear the authentic Gospel of Christ. Isn't that ultimately what John is about? What's the difference between John appearing on Schuller or on TBN? Some of the stuff on TBN is worse than anything Schuller has ever said. Yet, both Charles Stanley and Billy Graham air television programs on TBN. Just a thought.

I agree on the TBN stuff. When I was searching for info on Shuller, I came across an interview he did with Billy Graham. He asked Billy about people that come from other faiths like Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, and people from remote places that haven't heard the gospel; whether Graham thought they would be in Heaven. Graham answered with a yes. Shuller pressed him on his answer and Graham said something to the effect of I believe so. Based on my research of Shuller, I know Shuller was going down the road of multiple, valid ways to God. Graham seemed be sticking to the theme of those who have never heard the gospel. It seemed he was merely suggesting that any of those people that make it into heaven, it is because they reject the faith or culture they were brought up in and instead worship an unknown God or unknown Creator that they are certain exists. I believe he's wrong on that; that it's a tough case to make. It was interesting interview. You could almost see the glow on Shuller's face, as if he had just discovered a like-minded friend. Not exactly. Graham has a question and answer column that runs in our local paper, and I find it to be fairly solid most of the time.
I knew Shuller was different, but I had no idea he had taken the train to crazy town. I guess some of the folks at TBN get more press in that respect.

GMan

Doesn't the Bible say somewhere that everyone will have a chance to receive the Gospel?

Where does it say that?

[executioner]

I agree that Schuller appears to be a heretic. But we all know that John is on target with the Gospel. Maybe through John's appearance someone will check out his music or website and hear the authentic Gospel of Christ. Isn't that ultimately what John is about? What's the difference between John appearing on Schuller or on TBN? Some of the stuff on TBN is worse than anything Schuller has ever said. Yet, both Charles Stanley and Billy Graham air television programs on TBN. Just a thought.

I agree on the TBN stuff. When I was searching for info on Shuller, I came across an interview he did with Billy Graham. He asked Billy about people that come from other faiths like Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, and people from remote places that haven't heard the gospel; whether Graham thought they would be in Heaven. Graham answered with a yes. Shuller pressed him on his answer and Graham said something to the effect of I believe so. Based on my research of Shuller, I know Shuller was going down the road of multiple, valid ways to God. Graham seemed be sticking to the theme of those who have never heard the gospel. It seemed he was merely suggesting that any of those people that make it into heaven, it is because they reject the faith or culture they were brought up in and instead worship an unknown God or unknown Creator that they are certain exists. I believe he's wrong on that; that it's a tough case to make. It was interesting interview. You could almost see the glow on Shuller's face, as if he had just discovered a like-minded friend. Not exactly. Graham has a question and answer column that runs in our local paper, and I find it to be fairly solid most of the time.
I knew Shuller was different, but I had no idea he had taken the train to crazy town. I guess some of the folks at TBN get more press in that respect.

GMan

Doesn't the Bible say somewhere that everyone will have a chance to receive the Gospel?

Where does it say that?

I don't know!! That is why I was asking.

[BForm]

Yeah, Brent. Schuller has long been teaching his "wider mercy" theology. He believes people of all faiths will be saved and there is no eternal reason for coming to faith in the Christ, though it may aid in achieving the good life for yourself here and now. He has also taught that Christians do a huge injustice to humanity when we teach those of other faiths that they must convert to faith in Christ. He must consider Paul the anti-christ or something.

Sue, I don't know if you are simply stating a fact in saying we'll be able to see what their services "are all about" or if you are suggesting we will somehow be impressed. I've watched a lot of Robert Schuller and he often appears as an angel of light. Then you begin to read what he has written and listen to his answers to tough questions on national television and you realize that he only appears as an angel of light but is, in reality, a satanic liar.

[BForm]

Executioner, I don't believe you'll find anywhere in the bible where we are told all men will have a chance to hear the gospel. Paul does tell us that "blessed are the feet that carry the good news" for "how shall they hear if there be no preacher?". But what does Paul know since, according to Robert Schuller, you don't need to hear the gospel.

Also, Romans 1 & 2 shows us that all humanity is without excuse because all men run from what can clearly be seen of God in natural revelation. H There will be no innocent victims in eternal punishment. If there is a heart ready to receive the gospel, God, in His sovereignty, will find a way to get the good news to him.

Although we are commanded to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, we still must go about it in a way that honors God by showing a dependence on His word and the power of the Holy Spirit to bring about the conversion. Extending a warm hand of "Christian" fellowship with a known heretic does nothing to honor God. Witness to him? Certainly! Get up on stage and act like he's your brother in Christ? Very disturbing.

[executioner]

Executioner, I don't believe you'll find anywhere in the bible where we are told all men will have a chance to hear the gospel. Paul does tell us that "blessed are the feet that carry the good news" for "how shall they hear if there be no preacher?". But what does Paul know since, according to Robert Schuller, you don't need to hear the gospel.

Also, Romans 1 & 2 shows us that all humanity is without excuse because all men run from what can clearly be seen of God in natural revelation. H There will be no innocent victims in eternal punishment. If there is a heart ready to receive the gospel, God, in His sovereignty, will find a way to get the good news to him.

Although we are commanded to take the gospel to the ends of the earth, we still must go about it in a way that honors God by showing a dependence on His word and the power of the Holy Spirit to bring about the conversion. Extending a warm hand of "Christian" fellowship with a known heretic does nothing to honor God. Witness to him? Certainly! Get up on stage and act like he's your brother in Christ? Very disturbing.

Ok I was just asking. I do believe though that every man will be touched by the Holy Spirit at least once and that is his chance to accept it or not and some may only have that one chance while some have many.

BForm I am with you and this thing with Shuler; I am very concerned about what John is trying to accomplish here, and it disturbs me that someone that I look up too and know and love would go to these lengths to get his music heard.