I just don't get it!

crossways · Post by **crossways** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:38 pm

My band did another show tonight. As soon as I said, "this next tune is an old Petra song (Judas Kiss)" Everyone started clapping. It was even requested again at the end of our set.

CCM needs to get out of the office and into some grass roots clubs.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:04 am

I'll be honest with you and say that I think if Radio, CCM, and groups like Third Day would have stopped blasting Petra for still being around and never say anything about them I think Petra would have been better off.

petrarocksA2 · Post by **petrarocksA2** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 11:58 am

Did Third Day actually say that

pmal · Post by **pmal** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:27 pm

Third Day did not blast Petra for still being around. They were mad they didnt win that grammy whenb Double Take won, basically saying that the people who voted for the grammys' were out of touch with what was really popular in CCM at the time and that the award was supposed to be for success not a lifetime achievement award.

crossways · Post by **crossways** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:07 pm

Third Day did not blast Petra for still being around. They were mad they didnt win that grammy whenb Double Take won, basically saying that the people who voted for the grammys' were out of touch with what was really popular in CCM at the time and that the award was supposed to be for success not a lifetime achievement award.

Even so, that's a troubling statement coming from a band that I admire so much.

Besides, are the grammys really supposed to be about what's popular? I though they were about inovation and quality.

Double Take is by no means my favorite Petra album, but they showed that they could take some great songs and present them in a totally different way, and it is a great, well thought out album.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 9:41 am

There was also a CCM article where someone from Third Day... I'm pretty sure it was Mac Powell... made a statement about the time when they were a new and upcoming band. Quoting the best I can remember: "We wanted to be like Petra," he said... then he added "like Petra was then, not like Petra is now." He wasn't exactly dissing Petra in this instance, but he was saying they initially wanted to be successful like Petra was, and then he made a point to mention that Petra was no longer as successful.

Somebody pass him his John Lennon award. hehe

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:37 am

Pmal,

That sounds like a blast to me. Since the beginning of Third Day I'd never been a fan(because od style) but after that was said I lost respect for them as a group.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:14 pm

I can understand how a negative comment would be upsetting, but it is really just their opinion folks, and you can never know for sure what might be lost in editing. It is true that Petra was more successful during the time of Beyond Belief than they have been in the last few years, and there are probably a lot of contributing factors to that.

We all love Petra, the ones who don't have no taste.

Mountain Man · Post by **Mountain Man** » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:46 pm

pmal wrote:Third Day did not blast Petra for still being around. They were mad they didnt win that grammy whenb Double Take won, basically saying that the people who voted for the grammys' were out of touch with what was really popular in CCM at the time and that the award was supposed to be for success not a lifetime achievement award.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Double Take is a terrific album and deserved its Grammy.

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 7:57 am

I think anyone who starts a successful band dreams of being on top of the world at some point, (or at least wonders what it would be like.)

From that standpoint, yeah, I would rather be reaching as many people as Petra did then than they are now. No disrespect to who Petra is.

Kirkman · Post by **Kirkman** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:12 am

Michael wrote:There was also a CCM article where someone from Third Day... I'm pretty sure it was Mac Powell... made a statement about the time when they were a new and upcoming band.

Here's the original interview portion, just to make it clear what they actually said:

We never had any idea that it would go where it has,ï¿½ the groupï¿½s front man, Mac Powell, recalls of the start of Third Dayï¿½s 10-year career. ï¿½Yet at the same time, in the back of our minds, we knew we had something special. We wanted to be the next Petra ï¿½ you know, we wanted to be the next big band that really affected a lot of people through music.ï¿½

ï¿½We wanted to be the next Petra then,ï¿½ guitarist Mark Lee, the Atlanta-entrenched bandï¿½s only Nashville resident, flatly clarifies.

The whole article is at http://www.crosswalk.com/fun/music/1212405.html

--Josh

brent · Post by **brent** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:18 am

So does "then" imply era or style

or

does "then" imply at that time in their career

and what are the implications of each?

Hmmm.

GodsArt · Post by **GodsArt** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:50 am

Hey, all! After reading the article in question, I think Third Day's most likely intended meaning was that, at that time, early in their own careers they wanted to be like Petra because of the tremendous positive impact that Petra had (and continues to have) on so many lives. If you consider other things they have said recently, it's obvious that TD's primary desire now is to glorify God in all that they say, sing and do. I think this in no way detracts from the ministry that Petra has now, because their goal has always been to bring honor and glory to God and to point people to Him and they still do that VERY well. It seems to me that TD's goal has merely come into alignment with Petra's goal.

crossways · Post by **crossways** » Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:44 pm

Thanks Kirkamn! That really clarifies things. I can handle that comment, heck I've felt that way!

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:50 pm

Very good, Josh... you rock! The reason that it seems vaguely derogatory is that somehow they felt it was important to mention that Petra was no longer as well-received as they had been, when it was obvious they were talking about a past time. Something about that implication rubs me the wrong way a little bit. Not a lot, but a little. Seems to imply a certain anti-Petra attitude. Add to that the other incident... the "we should have beat Petra for the Grammy" thing... and it really seems to indicate a disrespectful attitude. As much attention and money as they've gotten for their Offerings projects, those guys ought to thank Petra every day of their lives for Petra Praise. I'm not saying I think rock praise wouldn't have happened without Petra (it probably would have), but who knows when? Or how?

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