The Petra Zone

I know this is getting old but does anyone have any new info on a possible CITAS dvd. Or is it not going to happen at all

Bob says "NO!"

I'd say:

- The chances are extremely slim, but
- Never say never.

I already offered the owners of the thing more money than they could possibly make selling it. They still said no. They said that if they were to get the OK from all parties involved, they would do it. The issue is not the missing masters. The the reasons are personal. It ain't gonna happen.

I probably don't want it anymore anyway.

They can keep it.

This one seems to be shot down into the window pits of nothing but a memory. Hopefully some of the fans will have enough sense to preserve this fine content since money and politics are such an issue.
In my mind sometimes preservation of history is more important than all the silly things that keep that from happening.

I've seen it happen too many times where fans go to extreme efforts to preserve something historically and take more care than the original copyright owners ever would.

It's totally lame that the interested parties are "watching this board" for something that supposedly is not worth releasing to them. Just how much money are they investing in "watching" us?

This is not secular music which is more easily accessible folks, this is CCM music which has alot of important and interesting stories behind it and it is all gonna get swallowed and dissapear in the name of greed.

It's a shame that many new christians have no clue about the history behind the blood, sweat, and tears that went into building up something we just take for granted these days.

Too bad, so sad. Luckily I lived thru that era so I will always remember. Argue all we want about the why's, what's, and legalities of it. Until the invested parties are interested, nothing is gonna happen.

What a shame.

It's a shame that many new christians have no clue about the history behind the blood, sweat, and tears that went into building up something we just take for granted these days.

I so agree with you. You turn on the radio, hear a tune and think nothing of it. But there used to be a day not so long ago where there was NO Christian radio (at least not the contemporary fashion as we know it today).

Let me take this one step further and say that people haven't a clue in regards to the blood, sweat & tears that Petra has put in either. I can hardly believe the stories that Bob has told, of protesters at concerts, churches telling their people rock music is devilish, etc.

And even today, we're living out history in the sense that we witnessed the final taping and performances of Christian music's rock icon - Petra. In years to come, once the ccm world realizes what they had (and lost) in this band, and books are written on the history of ccm, our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will ask us: "did you ever see this band, Petra? what was that all about?"

This is why I've been collecting and posting as much historical information as I can find for johnwschlitt.com. Magazine articles, tour memorabilia, old interviews - whatever I can find that includes John, because in years to come - this will have much historical value, if only to diehard fans.

A can't blame you.

I've been going thru all my petra video stuff I have (on tape and obtained from the net) and compiling it all onto DVD.

It's pretty bad when the fans do a better job of maintaining this information then the owning companies. Just look at a website like yours, or "The Guide To Petra". Just loads and loads of information. If you go to the official petra site not knowing anything about them you would think they were a new band or something.

I'm a firm believer that it is very important to know the roots of things. History is very important in getting a "perspective" on things. This includes the good things and (unfortunately) some of the bad things. But no need to dig in too deep though like some people are in a thread that will remain unmentioned.

All I can say is I'm glad I didn't miss the "birth" off CCM. It was a great ride. The only sad part is I also got to see the "end" of many great artists. Mostly because their music was too "ministry" oriented. Sure I missed some of it (larry norman, stonehill, rock solid records, keith green) but luckily there is enough info available on them to track back on.

brent wrote:I already offered the owners of the thing more money than they could possibly make selling it. They still said no. They said that if they were to get the OK from all parties involved, they would do it. The issue is not the missing masters. The the reasons are personal. It ain't gonna happen.

What is the Big Deal?

PetFCtr wrote:

brent wrote:I already offered the owners of the thing more money than they could possibly make selling it. They still said no. They said that if they were to get the OK from all parties involved, they would do it. The issue is not the missing masters. The the reasons are personal. It ain't gonna happen.

What is the BIG DEAL?

I think what he is saying is that the people that hold the rights to the video do not feel that enough money would be made on releasing CITAS as it would cost to pay all the involved parties that own copyrights on ten million things.

But on the other hand they are willing to spend (God only knows) how much money to monitor this board and/or sue anyone who infringes on their ability to make money off those rights.

It's like the perpetual motion machine gone mad! The chicken and the egg scenario. Did Adam have a belly button? If a freshman screams in a classroom, was there a sound? Who knows.

Sometimes I think the govt should be allowed to tax companies based on copyright ownership older than a certain number of years (kinda like how they tax stores for inventory that sits on the shelf). Then maybe something would get the gears in motion.

They're sitting on alot of good stuff here and do not even know it. At least the movie industry has gotten it partially figured out. They actually make an effort to remaster a film with the intention of preservation and even include alot of nice little bonus extras. They dont always get it right, but they've done a decent job.

I was thinking earlier about this and maybe someone would consider pursueing it. I don't exactly got "connections" and certainly don't care for playing politics. But I was thinking if this video is supposedly available to the DSP's. Then maybe someone can track down which DSP supposedly has it, and forward the CITAS petition to them as proof of interest to make it available. Apparently from what I read no one seemed interested in attempting this.

greenchili wrote:This one seems to be shot down into the window pits of nothing but a memory.

ROFL... what are "window pits?" I've got armpits, but...

I thought that was pretty funny too...MJ saved me the trouble of saying anything about it.

window pits...hmmmm...Okay, never mind.

Michael wrote:

greenchili wrote:This one seems to be shot down into the window pits of nothing but a memory.

ROFL... what are "window pits?" I've got armpits, but...

Poetic license?

I dunno just something goofy I came up with that sounded good.

It's a shame that many new christians have no clue about the history behind the blood, sweat, and tears that went into building up something we just take for granted these days.

Yeah they don't even know who Polycarp or Irenaeus or John Chrystosom were. Some christians (not new ones either) actually don't know the difference between Martin Luther and Martin Luther King (as I found out first hand)!
If they are that poor with knowing the history of our brothers and sisters who laboured for the faith, it should not be surprising they don't bother with the history of music either. At least they've kind of heard of Petra.

Well I'd have to admit as much of a music fan I am I dont know much about the background of Hymn writers either. As for the history of the church, well it may be interesting but with the bible available as the source, what else does one need.