How many copies of Farewell CD have been sold?

js3971 · Post by **js3971** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:10 pm

Does anyone know?

InpopShara · Post by **InpopShara** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:56 pm

Not enough

According to Soundscan, total sales to date are sitting around 16,000.

Shara

spottacus · Post by **spottacus** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:53 pm

No way. I've bought at least that many myself!

Actually, I've bought two (as gifts) and been given two (as gifts).

calicowriter · Post by **calicowriter** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:10 pm

Of course Soundscan doesn't count the ones Petra sold themselves at shows. I would imagine that was at least a couple thousand. And, aren't a lot of Christian stores not connected to Soundscan?

Sadly, it still isn't going to be as many sales as it should be.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:50 pm

If I understand correctly Soundscan does not count for these type of sales; Which in my mind could count for alot considering the tour especially in Central-South America.

1. Internet sales
2. Concert
3. International

BTW with me working for a large media company we have found Soundscan to be under counted and also inaccurate at times. I don't even know why Record Companies use this service anymore.

InpopShara · Post by **InpopShara** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:51 pm

Actually, Soundscan does include table sales - ie. albums the band sold at the merch table.

Some stores, especially online retailers, do not report sales to Soundscan. So yes, more have been sold, but unfortunately, Soundscan is the number that the industry goes by and pays attention to.

Shara

leafinator · Post by **leafinator** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:51 pm

I wonder if the new Farewell cd with 26 tracks will sell better than the scaled down version...

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:58 pm

I'm sure a double CD would have sold alot better. Farewell is way too short it only has 7 full length songs on there. I just feel like Petra deserved more going out than they got.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:01 pm

InpopShara wrote:Actually, Soundscan does include table sales - ie. albums the band sold at the merch table.

Some stores, especially online retailers, do not report sales to Soundscan. So yes, more have been sold, but unfortunately, Soundscan is the number that the industry goes by and pays attention to.

Shara

See thats the problem right there it's all about what the industry thinks or it's all about what radio wants. CCM is a bunch of @$^$#%%

brent · Post by **brent** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:12 pm

executioner wrote:
InpopShara wrote:Actually, Soundscan does include table sales - ie. albums the band sold at the merch table.

Some stores, especially online retailers, do not report sales to Soundscan. So yes, more have been sold, but unfortunately, Soundscan is the number that the industry goes by and pays attention to.

Shara
See thats the problem right there it's all about what the industry thinks or it's all about what radio wants. CCM is a bunch of @$^$#%%

Well, if you were a bank, you would want to know what your investments were doing. If you had properties that were slums, and were costing you money, or high rises that were appreciating, you would really want to know. Same thing applies to bands who were financed by the labels (banks).

I agree that CCM sucks. But, public demand = sales. The top sellers are the WOW discs, and about eight other artists. Petra hasn't been near the top in a decade plus.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:25 am

brent wrote:
executioner wrote:
InpopShara wrote:Actually, Soundscan does include table sales - ie. albums the band sold at the merch table.

Some stores, especially online retailers, do not report sales to Soundscan. So yes, more have been sold, but unfortunately, Soundscan is the number that the industry goes by and pays attention to.

Shara
See thats the problem right there it's all about what the industry thinks or it's all about what radio wants. CCM is a bunch of @$^$#%%
Well, if you were a bank, you would want to know what your investments were doing. If you had properties that were slums, and were costing you money, or high rises that were appreciating, you would really want to know. Same thing applies to bands who were financed by the labels (banks).

I agree that CCM sucks. But, public demand = sales. The top sellers are the WOW discs, and about eight other artists. Petra hasn't been near the top in a decade plus.

That is what I keep saying the problem is; Everyone is worried about what the #'s say and I see God cleaning it up like Jesus did to the merchants in the temple; They both are doing the same things.

brent · Post by **brent** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:41 am

The issue with Jesus at the temple was not the same thing. That was a matter for money conversion fraud. Not that they were selling something. People had to travel from foreign lands, which would prohibit the transport of living, perfect sacrifices. It was the MONEY CHANGERS. There is no conversion fraud going on.

Again, if you look at CCM as a business, which it is, and not a not-profit mionistry, which it has never been, then this sales tracking thing is not an issue.

Look, the whole thing IS scriptural. What are we supposed to be looking for in Christians as an indicator of their Godliness? FRUIT. If there is good fruit, then you know that they are effective. IF they are not, then they are not. We are also to be good stewards with GODS money. So, as a Christian business (not charity) you are to give of your increase. How can you have an increase if you are losing money?

CCM is not a ministry. The people with ministry NEED CCM to get their product out. It is an intertwined business at that point. Selling Jesus is spooky.

js3971 · Post by **js3971** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:50 am

I don't agree with everything you post Brent (and I'm sure you probably don't with me either) but I think you hit the nail on the head with your last post.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:28 am

I'm not saying everyone in CCM needs to be non-profit but what I'm saying is if you are using God's name and you are NOT ministry first orientated than I believe you are using God's name wrong and we all know that comes back around to hit you where you live. There are way too many out there today that are in it to make $$$. Also there are alot of CCM people that are turning their heads to all of the sin out there just to make sure their artists are bringing in the $$$.

Case in point: There is a local CCM band that was struggling to get the Word out and one day a program director from a local secular pop station heard one of this bands singles and decided to put it on the air and it hit big, and somewhere along the way one of the group members met this program director and they are now living together in sin, but no one in CCM wants to do anything about it because hey this artist is making boat loads of money. BTW this member is still in the group and is still living in sin, so no one in this group wants to mess up a good thing either just because someone is sinning. This is why I choose to listen to secular over CCM because at least I know where the artist stand on their morals or lack there of.

PreteristAD70 · Post by **PreteristAD70** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:57 pm

leafinator wrote:I wonder if the new Farewell cd with 26 tracks will sell better than the scaled down version...

Leafinator,

I'm not aware of any "new Farewell CD" that has 26 tracks. To what are you referring?

--Mike

The Petra Zone

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