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For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:56 am
by Boray

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:16 am
by rossistheboss
That was actually pretty sweet...... almos like a techno feel, maybe add it some club beats to it. sounded a lot more modern somehow.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:43 am
by Dan
kool.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:14 am
by zak89
Can you isolate the vocals and than place them over that mix to get his voice back to "normal"? Or will that bring the percussion ghosts back?

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:49 am
by Boray
How about using the drums from Blinded Eyes?!:
http://boray.wontek.net/petra/TransformedPetra2.mp3

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:54 am
by pmal
Boray wrote:How about using the drums from Blinded Eyes?!:
http://boray.wontek.net/petra/TransformedPetra2.mp3
freakin' hilarious!

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:15 pm
by Preacherman777
I have no idea how you isolate tracks like that and work with them, but I've wondered for years if there was a way to do that and like make the guitar tracks sound louder on the This Means War album. So they would be more like they are on On Fire. Or is that something that can only be done by having the individual studio tracks.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:48 pm
by zak89
It can only be done "right" with the original multitrack. But I know there are remastering techniques to get close to it.

I totally agree with the guitar on TMW - honestly, while I love the songs, I don't see how that album got billed as the first "real rock" album of the Schlitt-era. IMHO it wasn't much rockier than BTTS - lots of keyboards, with the guitar often barely discernable (except for the solos). I guess the drums were better.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:56 pm
by Dan
Sounds like a cool project to what technologies can be used to extract parts of songs and make our own remixes, Brent has some good tools. Beefing the guitars on some songs would be great.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:07 pm
by Boray
Daniel wrote:Sounds like a cool project to what technologies can be used to extract parts of songs and make our own remixes, Brent has some good tools. Beefing the guitars on some songs would be great.
Doesn't sound like a very legal project though. I didn't post the whole song to not break the copyright laws TOO much...

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:17 pm
by Dan
Oh yeah it would be totally illegal, most of youtube content is remixes n stuff that are ripped material.

You could only be sued if (a) there is a proven loss to the owner (b) you are trying to hurt the record label on purpose. So at the end of the day it's a moral choice to play with songs.

Oh this should be another thread right...

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 3:53 pm
by Boray
Now, let's do the opposite: Blinded Eyes with the drums from Hit you where you live:
http://boray.wontek.net/petra/blindedeyes.mp3

:mrgreen:

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:02 pm
by Boray
Now how did I make these? In the recording software I use (Reaper) there is an effect called ReaFir. Among other things, it can record a frequency curve and then subtract this curve from the sound. The purpose of this is to remove noise from recordings, but I just used it to remove drums instead. For this to work you need the thing you want to remove to play by itself somewhere in the song to be able to record its frequency curve. So these two songs starting with drums was perfect for this experiment.

I also time stretched the drums to fit in the other song...

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:05 pm
by Preacherman777
Doesn't sound like a very legal project though. I didn't post the whole song to not break the copyright laws TOO much...
Well heck, I'd be happy just to hear some partial song samples of how it could sound if they did remix TMW that way.

Re: For those of you who don't like the Elefante drums...

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:48 pm
by Boray
zak89 wrote: I totally agree with the guitar on TMW - honestly, while I love the songs, I don't see how that album got billed as the first "real rock" album of the Schlitt-era. IMHO it wasn't much rockier than BTTS - lots of keyboards, with the guitar often barely discernable (except for the solos). I guess the drums were better.
I think Back to the street is much rockier than This means war. More and louder guitars and the drums sounds more real. I think they probably are real on back to the street.