The Petra Zone

I don't get it. Why does Louie Weaver even drum if the Editors are going to just mess with it?
Also, in concert, Louie's drum sounds will then be way different than heard on the ALBUM!
I would love to hear an unedited Back to the Rock Cd.
Maybe Pieter has something.

Yuri, Bill, Wes, Apple, I think they are real drums on Back to the rock, sure sounds like it anyway!

I think that maybe there is synth drum tracks on NOW,BTS,TMW,OF,PP,BB,ND,PP2,DT,RV

I wonder why they never just used Louie for the drums, Brent did tell me at one time...

I don't have the time to read up on the back ground of this thread. This has been covered so many times.

Louie played on the last disc.

All I can say is that when Louie played for me, he played what I asked him to play. He replaced prerecorded parts in most cases. In a few we trashed what we did and substituted his tracks, and changed what we were going to do because he did something that was so tasty, we couldn't help it.

Louie's playing has progressively mellowed. He is more about the groove than anything. He really has been all along. He is not a flashy player, into lots of fills, etc. I prefer that he cheese it up, because that is what people (I) like to hear. This is one of the reasons players like Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart are so appealing. They are busy, but tasty busy. I love it. When Louie is in Petra mode, he is very reserved.

Now, when it comes to production nowadays, yes, most people snap everything to a grid. The last Petra record is VERY tick-tock. It is kind of stiff to me. I have not talked to John L about this, only about the microphones used. But, I know how it goes. There is a fine line between tightening things up so playing is tighter and tightening the human swing out of the performance.

In the old days, when computer and MIDI clocking was less than good, the industry naturally progressed to this snapping of the wav forms to the grid, because they were used to sloppy clocks. We could press start and everything would be fine for a while, but the tape would stretch, MIDI would drift, and if you were working with video too....man it was a nightmare keeping everything in sync. So, naturally, we all over compensated and made things so rigid that the life was cut out of it.

The industry is tiring of this. Check out the latest Foo Fighters videos:

http://www.nme.com/nme-video/dave-grohl ... 7688254001

WARNING. LOTS OF F BOMBS AND SUCH.

But they are going back to analog, to escape the progression to lifeless perfection h e double hockey sticks.

Classic Petra is the real deal. They all play.

My understanding that's all Louie on PP2,DT, and Revival; except for the fills and such.

brent wrote:I don't have the time to read up on the back ground of this thread. This has been covered so many times.

Louie played on the last disc.

All I can say is that when Louie played for me, he played what I asked him to play. He replaced prerecorded parts in most cases. In a few we trashed what we did and substituted his tracks, and changed what we were going to do because he did something that was so tasty, we couldn't help it.

Louie's playing has progressively mellowed. He is more about the groove than anything. He really has been all along. He is not a flashy player, into lots of fills, etc. I prefer that he cheese it up, because that is what people (I) like to hear. This is one of the reasons players like Mike Portnoy and Neil Peart are so appealing. They are busy, but tasty busy. I love it. When Louie is in Petra mode, he is very reserved.

Now, when it comes to production nowadays, yes, most people snap everything to a grid. The last Petra record is VERY tick-tock. It is kind of stiff to me. I have not talked to John L about this, only about the microphones used. But, I know how it goes. There is a fine line between tightening things up so playing is tighter and tightening the human swing out of the performance.

In the old days, when computer and MIDI clocking was less than good, the industry naturally progressed to this snapping of the wav forms to the grid, because they were used to sloppy clocks. We could press start and everything would be fine for a while, but the tape would stretch, MIDI would drift, and if you were working with video too....man it was a nightmare keeping everything in sync. So, naturally, we all over compensated and made things so rigid that the life was cut out of it.

The industry is tiring of this. Check out the latest Foo Fighters videos:

http://www.nme.com/nme-video/dave-grohl ... 7688254001

WARNING. LOTS OF F BOMBS AND SUCH.

But they are going back to analog, to escape the progression to lifeless perfection h e double hockey sticks.

Classic Petra is the real deal. They all play.

cool interview apart from the f's. result is good: http://tease.foofighters.com/

this would be cool way to record a gutsy sound, where would you get the equipment for this now? garage sale?