Glenn Beck on TBN

[shawnpfan2010]

Well if what Brent has said in the past is true, than their are no christians on TBN anyway so why not have Glenn on TBN?

[brent]

I would not go that far. The views and actions of the ownership and the Word of Faithers do not necessarily reflect the views of all of those people that work there, or some of the main-line denominational pastors who use TBN to reach people, in spite of the other stuff.

[neonpachyderm]

Well if what Brent has said in the past is true, than their are no christians on TBN anyway so why not have Glenn on TBN?

Ouch...that's a pretty broad brush there.

I admit, I'm a Charismatic/WOFer. I am a Christian. Christ is the only way to heaven. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar and a fool.

I have a very ecumenical church background. My father was raised nominally Church of Christ, but attended a Presbyterian college, where we met and fell in love with a Presbyterian girl. They got married in an American Baptist church, attended a Southern Baptist church until, watching TBN, they were filled with the Holy Spirit. Eventually Dad became a Pentecostal Holiness minister, then Mom and Dad became independent charismatic ministers, admittedly with a strong WOF bent.

I can and have fellowshipped with believers across the spectrum, from Anglican to...well, I can't come up with a denomination that starts with a Z.

*edit*: a friend says "Zionist."

Mylon and Broken Heart had a great song several years ago called "Denomination Demolition." Denominations don't matter. Doctrine, other than the core of who Christ is, really doesn't matter. (This, for the record, is where the Mormon church has woefully erred.)

Christ matters. That is all.

[bakersfieldpethead]

About TBN.....

TBN has been far from the Bible for many years now. They go after the get ritch quick preaching, so that it will bring more money into the company instead of preaching the truth. I only flip it on now if Petra or another band is on. I won't watch the preaching anymore.

[executioner]

I'm like you Bake I just see them as idiots and will only watch when Petra or other artists show up.

[Disciple]

Hey neon, all Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit. I grew up in a Charismatic church but felt the Holy Spirit just as strongly in the Methodist church we go to now. But I know where you are coming from. I just don't believe that you have to practice speaking in tongues as the charismatics teach it to be filled with the Holy Spirit and I think it's outrageous for some to think there are Christians who are not filled with the Holy Spirit. Anyway just had to chime in on that. God bless you and keep you.

Plus all this talk about Israel. You know, all of us Christians are part of the New Israel and are heirs to all of its promises. The old has passed away and all things have become new. So what is Beck saying about Israel?

[gman]

Beck's basic message is that times are growing dark for Israel and the Jewish people. That the U.S. and many of it's allies are effectively siding against Israel. He is aligning himself with John Hagee and saying that people of faith need to join together in support of the Jewish people, both in their right to have a state in the land God gave them, and their right to life wherever they happen to live. Beck has repeatedly pointed out that the real message of the Palestinian leadership, the Muslim brotherhood, and other groups is essentially that we wouldn't have a problem with the Jews if it weren't for all the Jews.

[CatNamedManny]

Beck's basic message is that times are growing dark for Israel and the Jewish people. That the U.S. and many of it's allies are effectively siding against Israel. He is aligning himself with John Hagee and saying that people of faith need to join together in support of the Jewish people, both in their right to have a state in the land God gave them, and their right to life wherever they happen to live. Beck has repeatedly pointed out that the real message of the Palestinian leadership, the Muslim brotherhood, and other groups is essentially that we wouldn't have a problem with the Jews if it weren't for all the Jews.

Does anybody, other than terrorists, really disagree that Jews should have the right to life wherever they live? I think any sane person, including the vast majority of Muslime, would agree with you there.

The question is: How confident are we that God provided the Jews this land? Many Jews in 1948 disagreed with returning to Palestine because they believed it wasn't God's doing until the temple was rebuilt. As with many movements of politics and nations, we're pretty much assuming God is doing something because we agree with it.

I think, no matter how pro-Israel we might be, we need to recognize some basic truths:

1. When Israel was granted its territory in 1948, it displaced many people who did nothing to deserve losing their homes. We shouldn't expect them to be happy about it.
2. Israel is a secular state that, among other things, allows abortions.
3. Israel is a secular state that, among other things, continues to evict innocent families from their homes to expand their territory.
4. Israel is a secular state that, among other things, has imposed a brutal crackdown on a group of people in a neighboring region. This crackdown has led to immense suffering in the name of counterterrorism.

These are true statements. Whether we agree with their rightness or wrongness is a separate question, but I'm not convinced every action Israel takes is 1. correct, 2. right or 3. necessary for their self-preservation. They are a political entity making political decisions. We have no biblical duty to support any political state if the political decisions they make are immoral or inhumane, even as we support the right of the people governed by that state to live in safety.

[gman]

To qoute the Miz, Really? Really?
All in good fun.
Israel operates much like the U.S. You strike us, we strike back. You live peacefully alongside us, no problem. The Palestinian leadership wants Israel wiped off the map. Average palestinians on the street would prefer to live under Jewish rule rather than an oppressive palestinian Gov't. Many are preparing for the possibility of a return to the 1967 borders by relocating to areas that would still be under Israel's control should such a change occur.