BEER SPONSOR?

charl · Post by **charl** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:01 pm

I would more likely boycott the show if the Prayer of Jabez franchise sponsored it.

seichu kaisho · Post by **seichu kaisho** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:24 pm

executioner wrote:Actually Bud is NOT sponsering Stryper or Stryper's Tour. Bud is a sponser of one of the venues Stryper was playing in and I believe that it was an ad put on the back of the tickets for that certain show.

Wait. . . what. . . huh?

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:43 pm

He means it's not actually the band they're sponsoring, it's the club they're playing in, which makes sense. They advertise on the back of the tickets.

Yeah, I thought Jonathan's post was funny too.

toe510 · Post by **toe510** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 1:34 am

Where can i keep something like that? :X

PetFCtr · Post by **PetFCtr** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 8:41 am

spottacus wrote:Jesus turned water into wine at a party. I think it's okay for Christians to drink beer.

What wine was considered back then isnt what its consider now. I believe that wine back then was more of a grape juice type of thing..Not an alcohol things..

charl · Post by **charl** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:59 pm

Come ON.

Who let all these 19th century people in?

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:34 pm

PetFCrt is right, it was different, and that's all he (or she) said, was that it was different.

I've seen for myself how destructive alcohol can be, so I don't drink myself. My grandfather was an alcoholic and I had an uncle who died a horrible death of cirrhosis of the liver, and he kept drinking right up to the time he died. But there's nothing in the Bible that tells us outright not to drink. The key is moderation, and where do you draw that line? How do you know how much is too much? In my case, I don't have a lot of tolerance for it, so one drink would probably affect my judgement.

brent · Post by **brent** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:35 am

JMBJR72 wrote:I noticed that Stryper concert is sponsored by Budwiser. I was kind of surpirsed! How do feel about this?

Ok. Here is what happens folks. Don't get too legalistic and judgemental (yet).

Many venues...uh...let me rephrase that...ANY venue that is going to stay open will have advertisement, sponsors, underwriters, etc. So, a venue will go to Bud, or MGD, Pepsi, Coke or Jim Bobs Used Car Emporium, and get them to coop advertising (go dutch), sign a contract that locks all other competitors out of the venue. The venue makes money or saves money, buy having the name on the gigs and the advertising.

I have seen Asbury United Methodist Church, Tulsa, OK promote a concert at their old location, and Coke was the sponsor of the facility. So what? The school systems across American do it too.

What we need to remember is that nearly all of the major Christian labels are owned by secular companies. So if you really want to have your drawers in a wad, you really should top buying ALL MAJOR label releases right now! Only buy indie and small label releases. Stop going to Christian concerts in secular venues.

But, on the otherhand, where did Jesus go? Where would he go today? If he were on the earth today, I do not think that he would be hanging out at the Crystal Cathedral. I think that he would be in the clubs on Fri and Sat night, insighting thought and conversation. I think that he would be at the secular events where the lost people are. Why not use a secular venue for a Christian show? Why not have the lost comfortable coming to a show, where they hear the gospel of Christ? They aren't coming to our churches.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 10:23 am

Nicely put Brent

Enosh · Post by **Enosh** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:43 pm

The Bible says to not be "Drunk with wine."

You could drink grape juice until it comes out your nose and it's not going to make you drunk. Also, the ruler of the feast addressed Jesus at the wedding and commented that usually people put the best wine first, and that once everyone had well drunk then that which was least favorable. Yet Jesus had saved the best for last.

For some yes I would say that alcohol is sin because it is temptation to them. For others who can enjoy a glass of wine with dinner it may not be the temptation if it is done in moderation.

Alcoholism is a major problem and we should never try to justify a legitimate sin in our life. We know when we are in the wrong, and we also have to be careful of the example we set for those around us who may not strong in the faith. Alcohol consumption is not sin unto itself, but there is a fine line that can be crossed if we are not careful.

So please be careful.

charl · Post by **charl** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:19 am

Actually I think Jesus might just go to the Crystal Cathedral and go all Matthew 23 on their arses.
If he were to come to America, that is, which he wouldn't have. But if he did...

brent · Post by **brent** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:33 am

PetFCtr wrote:
spottacus wrote:Jesus turned water into wine at a party. I think it's okay for Christians to drink beer.
What wine was considered back then isnt what its consider now. I believe that wine back then was more of a grape juice type of thing..Not an alcohol things..

The wine was wine. Period. They had no refridgeration folks. They stored the wine in wine cloths. If you study the process, you will find out that it was not simply grape juice.

Paul told Timothy when he was having a belly ache to drink a little wine. Now, the bible is full of greya areas. As stated above, and in Romans, it is not what you put in your mouth that defiles you, it is the intent. So having a glass of wine is not the issue, or a beer (which is nasty IMO unless you go dark german), it is what it is used for, the intent and the affect that it has on you spiritually.

Paul says that what may be good for some, may not be good for others. They are both correct, because that is where they are spiritually. They both have different needs, abilities and walks with God.

On the flip side, we are not to cause a brother to stumble. So, what if a new alcoholic Christian saw you buying a case of booz at the store? What if a kid in your church saw you in a club having one drink, not getting drunk? You testimony would be shot. Why? Even the world knows that drinking is a worldly thing, because they have made it the means to an end. So we are to refrain from all appearances of evil. At the same time, we have to be about the Father's business, so we will have to go and interact with the world, if we are to win them. So people need to take a chill pill when watching a Christian go to a club (who may be going in to rescue an alcoholic, snag his daughter, or go to see Stryper).

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:20 am

I feel there is nothing wrong with a drink if it is done correctly, but also I do not like the taste of any alcoholic drinks, so I really don't have an issue with it.

seichu kaisho · Post by **seichu kaisho** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:16 pm

I know Christians who smoke. Just out of mere curiosity, what is your guys's opinions on that?

brent · Post by **brent** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:44 pm

That falls under two categories:

1. Stupid

Fire fighters and victims can die of smoke inhalation. So why would a person want to breathe in tar? Pot I can some what understand better than cigs. But they both destroy something in the body, and both are done out of habit once the body is hooked.

2. Addiction

We are not to be controlled. We are to be sober minded.

We shouldn't be doing anything to prevent living long on the earth, doing what we are called to do. But, maybe this is something that God is working on with them. Maybe they know it and don't care. Maybe they have much bigger issues than that. It isn't our business to judge. Just to educate and pray.

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