NOW IS THE TIME FOR CHRISTIANS TO EXODUS PUBLIC SCHOOLS

[LexingtonPethead]

Well I could say that I think withdrawing kids from public school is stupid and moronic -- not that you are. You might hold that view, but I think your view (not you) is retarded and blind to the truth.

I just don't think this kind of talk will get us anywhere.

Yeah, you could say that, but I sure wouldn't want my name next to it

I think part of the problem here is that we all think as Christians, everyone is supposed to think in lock step with each other. But we have people posting on this site from all over the world, and while we share a faith in Christ, we have very different views on social and government issues. We've discussed a lot of these issues before, and most of us have had to wear flame suits from time to time.

Let's just acknowledge that in these ways we are different, and if we make a controversial post, then we should expect to be accountable for it.

[crossways]

I don't know whether to cry, or be angry. A little of both I suppose.

I am PROUD to say that I am a public educator. I am PROUD to say that every school that I have taught in for my 10+ years of service has by no means been perfect, but has done it's best to instill values and provide the highest level of education possible.

The biggest problem with the pull'em out argument is that it throws the blame on the wrong end of the stick. I have yet to meet a principal who, when confronted by a like minded group of parents, won't go along with the majority of what the community wants in its schools. If you talk with most educators and administrators they would tell you that they would love for the pastors to come back to school for Bible lessons, and for prayer to be a daily part of the school day.

Schools are run at the local level. You need to be involved with your local county, town or city to make changes.

The Federal Government can only make rules concerning the eligability of recieving funds. In other words they say if you meet this list of requirments you can have your allotment of funds. Which isn't much. In my city less than 5% of the school system's budget comes from Fed. funds another 15-20% comes from the State that operates in much the same way as the Fed. money.

So, we've got these schools running around trying to meet all of these various beauracratic demands (most of which are exclusivley paperwork) for pennies.

But you don't go to the local system, you run to Washington so you can get your name in the paper and feel important, instead of getting your butt down to the schools and helping. Be a tutor, listen to a kid read, volunteer time helping with homework.

I get so sick of hearing evolution is ruining our schools. The truth of the matter is that there is little time spent on any of the theories of creation. I would love it if they exclusivley taught Creation. I say teach them all. The light will shine bright in the midst of darkness.

Get busy with a body part besides your mouths. Help. Get a little dirty.


The fields are ready, but the workers are few!

[epdc]

i`m agree with you. I have been in public schools all my life and all the stuff I have learn there has only made me to believe more in the Word. Why? because I have had an education at home and at church about God.

And all that evolution thing, i did learn it, but the teacher didn`t make a big deal of it. I think all that are rumours (that the evolution is being taught a lot at public school).

I have had teachers in p�blic school that are amazing and I have no complaints about it.

Though I`m very sure that christian school is a blessing I don`t think is right to put it as "is way better than public school, christian school is perfect", no way! as I said before, I have friends who are in christian and are not even christians!!! and for what they said, nothing of what they have learn there has made them to turn to God. Sometimes, since christian schools are private, the kids that couldn`t get in to a public school (because of bad grades) go there because the only requirement is that parents pay.

Please don`t get me wrong, I`m not saying christian schools are bad, NO WAY, I`m only saying that are not as perfects as some people here see them.

[Shell]

I think they are. Some people are just a little more opinionated than others.

Crossways has a valid point too; there are a lot of dedicated teachers out there you don't hear a lot about. And you don't hear a lot about the parents who get together to let the principal know what they want for their kids.

[LexingtonPethead]

Be careful crossways ... different views are not tolerated here.

Oh come on... let's not go down the road of immaturity.

If you have the right to say it, others have the right to disagree. That's not intolerance. It's freedom of thought and expression.

All of us get flamed around here at one time or another. Let's get past the pity party.

(everyone except Elo... she's too nice to flame )

[LexingtonPethead]

Immaturity in this thread began with words such as stupid and moronic.

freedom of thought & expression includes my thought that different views are not allowed here.

Perhaps that is an overstatement, sure. Let me re-phrase it:

different views are not respected here. Until they are, serious discussion can never happen on this board.

Consider this: Sep is one of the moderators on this board, yet he did not delete your post. Seems to me your opinions are tolerated. But you can think whatever you want.

And by the way, we've had some very serious discussions on this board, some of which I've been in the middle of. They DO happen because people are willing to accept that not everyone will agree with what they say.

[separateunion]

I recommend reading a book called "The Closing Of The American Mind" by Dr. Alan Bloom. It explains in depth how the public education system has utterly failed. The only point I disagree with in this book is Dr. Bloom's conclusion on how to revamp public education.

[epdc]

why nobody takes me serious??!!!!!!!! ....LOLOL

even at home, when I get mad people is like "oh, so you do get mad once in a while".

guess I`ll be having that "cute" word in my forehead forever

[crossways]

seperate union -
How, exactly, can you make the statement that the public education system has utterly failed?
I would seriously rethink make broad generalizations that you can not possibly back-up with anything more than a singular point of view and isolated instances.
Remember those college professors of yours, as great and wise as they may seem, represent a singular position, usually inflated by their own egos. The same goes for authors.

For any one instance where the public education system has "failed", I'll give you ten where it has succeeded.

[separateunion]

seperate union -
How, exactly, can you make the statement that the public education system has utterly failed?
I would seriously rethink make broad generalizations that you can not possibly back-up with anything more than a singular point of view and isolated instances.
Remember those college professors of yours, as great and wise as they may seem, represent a singular position, usually inflated by their own egos. The same goes for authors.

For any one instance where the public education system has "failed", I'll give you ten where it has succeeded.

Where do I begin...

First of all, don't argue with me if you aren't going to read the book. That just shows me that you'd rather choose to be ignorant than to have a real debate.

Secondly, Dr. Bloom is a very intelligent, well researched author.

Thirdly, I have a rather unique point of view in this situation. I've spent large chunks of my schooling in both private and public schools, as well as a year homeschooling, and my mother has homeschooled my brothers and sisters fors many years.

I can tell you flat out that public education in it's present state could never come close to the academic standards of a private school or even home schooling, and the lack of morality in the public schools is astounding. The problems with public education go much deeper than this, but Dr, Bloom does a better job explaining it than I could, so it's your choice whether to read the book or not.

Oh, and as much as you might like to think Dr. Bloom's point of view is an isolated instance, you couldn't be further from the truth.

[Shell]

Crossways is a teacher, SU, give him some credit for knowing what he's talking about. Dr. Bloom may have some valid points, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's the leading authority on the subject. Homeschooling probably has its disadvantages too, didn't you ever feel sort of isolated? There are no real easy answers here, but I do think if enough parents were outspoken about what they wanted in public schools, some of the garbage could be filtered out. And a kid in a Christian school has to deal with temptation and deciding whether to do what's right the same as anybody else. Maybe even more so, because the wrong stuff that goes on in Christian schools may not be as obvious, at least at first.

[LexingtonPethead]

seperate union -
How, exactly, can you make the statement that the public education system has utterly failed?
I would seriously rethink make broad generalizations that you can not possibly back-up with anything more than a singular point of view and isolated instances.
Remember those college professors of yours, as great and wise as they may seem, represent a singular position, usually inflated by their own egos. The same goes for authors.

For any one instance where the public education system has "failed", I'll give you ten where it has succeeded.

I know you meant for Sep to reply to this - and he probably will - but I'll add my 2 cents worth.

For one thing, there are far too many liberals in the public education system. That's about 90% of the root problem in the schools.

In fact, I don't think it can be intelligently argued that public schools are not infested with anti-Christian, anti-American liberals. ESPECIALLY professors.

To explain this would require opening another can of worms that I don't have time to post about right now. But really, I shouldn't have to explain why liberalism is destroying our school systems - it should be obvious.

[Shell]

Good point David, but you don't hear enough about the teachers who don't have those liberal views who really do want to make a difference for kids. Not all of them are radical liberals, although I do agree there's too much of it.

It does have to start with Christian values being taught at home. Kids will find someone or someplace to learn from if it isn't from their parents, it makes them vulnerable, and the liberals who are out there know that.

[LexingtonPethead]

Good point David, but you don't hear enough about the teachers who don't have those liberal views who really do want to make a difference for kids. Not all of them are radical liberals, although I do agree there's too much of it.

It does have to start with Christian values being taught at home. Kids will find someone or someplace to learn from if it isn't from their parents, it makes them vulnerable, and the liberals who are out there know that.

That's exactly it. There are remnants of conservatives out there who are true red, white and blue love God, love family, love America teachers educating and pouring their hearts out to help today's kids, I'm quite sure.

But liberal administrators and liberal college presidents will make sure conservative teachers are kept in the minority so they may continue unchallenged to turn out the next generation of socialist idiots.

When my daughter is old enough to start school, she will go to Christian school. But I will use a litmus test with each principal, namely, whether or not they have any liberal teachers. If they have any, we'll move on to the next school.

[crossways]

I would agree that higher education is predominatley liberal. I would not agree with this on the elementary and high school level.

We, as teachers, are represented by a highly liberal organization, the NEA. I have never figured that out. Most teachers are only concerned with the NEA to the extent that they help fight for better pay. I know that the people working at the NEA headquarters push many agendas that I don't agree with.

Elementary and high school teachers that I have known (three school systems worth) are like any other work population. We range from conservative to moderate to liberal. Many are Christians who care a great deal for their students and families, many are good people who don't concern themselves with anything but getting kids to learn and to become successful. I know that there are some who are liberal. I don't know many who push their personal beliefs either way on to any kids.

I guess you have two choices:
A) build schools and hide from the non-believers and liberals. (You can continue with your argument that public education is failing, but really there are too many intelligent, successful people graduating from them for that argument to hold much water.)

B) you can be the salt and the light, and live in the world God put you in while not being of it.

Whichever you choose is fine by me, but I can't believe a christian would continue to make generalizations that can not be substantiated, unless you have been to every public school across this vast nation and polled the teachers and students. You may happen to live in a school district that is liberal, I don't doubt they exist. BUT, from someone who has lived in Hawaii, Chicago, N.C., Tennessee, and Missouri (following my father's career as a pastor and navy chaplain) and has 10+ years teaching experience I can say with a high degree of certainty that our teachers are good quality people.