Mylon LeFevre

[pmal]

My concern with Mylon isn't with his singing or songwriting.
I really like Mylon and Broken Heart. I have most of their CDs.
It concerns me that he's involved with Word of Faith theology and has close ties to Kenneth Copeland.
It boggles my mind to see how people can get wrapped up in this heresy.

Ahhh, so we should be word of doubt instead? Thats not very Biblical.

LOL, neither is ALL will be healed, healthy, rich, and happy if they have enough faith. Neither did Jesus die physically and spiritually, separating from the trinity and thus rendering his work on the cross imcomplete. Neither is God's power is subject to how much faith we have. Shall I continue? All of these doctrines, the Word of Faith theology does believe and teach. Sorry for the Yoda-ism.

Copeland's errors:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/copelnd2.htm

Here is a confession of a former member of that theology that gives a glimpse into that movement and why it is wrong:
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/tex ... n0026a.txt

And more:
http://www.intotruth.org/wof/tract3.html

[CatNamedManny]

Mylon's voice reminds me of Mark Gersmehl (sp?), the "low" singer from Whiteheart. I've always broke the 1980s CCM vocalists into two groups in my mind, the "high," or "clean" vocalists, and the "low," or "dirty" vocalists.

High:
Schlitt
Florian
Sweet
Wenzel
Kaiser (Wendi)
Volz
Thompson
Rowe

Low:
LeFevre
Kaiser (Glenn)
Gersmehl

Jamie Rowe is weird because he had a lot more of a rasp, but still sang the '80s high notes, so he's more of a middle guy. Scott Wenzel from Whitecross is in that area, too.

Interesting that the only low/raspy/dirty vocalists I can think of -- Gersmehl and Glenn Kaiser -- are paired with high/clean vocalists in the same band (Whiteheart and REZ), except for LeFevre. Of course, it was the 1980s. The higher, the better, right?

EDIT: DeGarmo! Forgot all about him! Another "low" vocalist similar to LeFevre/Gersmehl.

[pmal]

It's kind of funny when you listen to the records, as it seems Mylon does a lot of falsetto, maybe like a trademark as it happens in a lot of his songs. Take "Crank it Up", for instance. There aer some very high notes in that song and it seems he does the falsetto thing. But, when I was at the concert, he sang it like normal and it was fantastic. I think Mylon has a very high voice based on that example. It's almost like the falsetto is something he does on purpose but he didn't do that in concert, at least not all of the time ...

[ErioL]

My concern with Mylon isn't with his singing or songwriting.
I really like Mylon and Broken Heart. I have most of their CDs.
It concerns me that he's involved with Word of Faith theology and has close ties to Kenneth Copeland.
It boggles my mind to see how people can get wrapped up in this heresy.

Ahhh, so we should be word of doubt instead? Thats not very Biblical.

LOL, neither is ALL will be healed, healthy, rich, and happy if they have enough faith. Neither did Jesus die physically and spiritually, separating from the trinity and thus rendering his work on the cross imcomplete. Neither is God's power is subject to how much faith we have. Shall I continue? All of these doctrines, the Word of Faith theology does believe and teach. Sorry for the Yoda-ism.

Copeland's errors:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/copelnd2.htm

Here is a confession of a former member of that theology that gives a glimpse into that movement and why it is wrong:
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/tex ... n0026a.txt

And more:
http://www.intotruth.org/wof/tract3.html

Well I don't consider myself a "word of faith" member or part of any denomination, and though I've never really listened to Kenneth Copeland, I'm sure some of the teachings I have heard and read from others would come under scrutiny from you. But after having read through the debuttal put forth (namely on Copelands errors, though once again I'm not terribly familiar with Copeland himself), I admit that I find issue with a good number of the arguments. If there exists no power in the spoken word, why then did Jesus even say Mark 11:23? Or again in Luke 17:6, why would he claim that if you speak and do not doubt, it would be done? Further, James 3 speaks to the power of the tongue.

Also, if Jesus did not "die spiritually," our salvation is a very flimsy thing indeed. 2 Cor 5:21 says he was made sin on our behalf. That is, essentially, dying spiritually? I'm interested in your interpretation as it may be that at on this point at least we are in agreement, maybe not.

I do submit that many preachers, for me at least, have made an item out of "special doctrines" and definitely materialized many things of the Bible. Certainly I do not agree with that. However, when it comes to things like say, the issue of healing, you cannot show me in the Bible where Jesus says "I will heal some, but not all of you." Instead, I have verses like Isaiah 53:4-5 that says I WAS healed already, 1 Peter 2:24, Matthew 9:5 Jesus says healing and forgiveness of sin is the same to Him, and so many more. Therefore, I seek to build my faith "hearing the Word of God," so that when I pray in His name according to John 14:14 I know that He hears me and will grant it to me. However, if my approach is that I'll pray hoping that maybe He'll answer, maybe He'll hear me, just maybe, essentially it would be a crap-shoot, then I'm not praying in faith at all. James 1:6 teaches us that.

Essentially, if I am wrong on these points, what then is the Scripture truly saying?

[brent]

I did not read those references, but here is what I know of him:

Copeland accepts faith as a tangible (yet spiritual), conductive, "power force" OF SUBSTANCE. He got the SUBSTANCE from the misapplication of Hebrews 11:1. SUBSTANCE in Greek is hypostasis = "an assured impression, a mental realizing". Copeland takes the KJV and butchers it.

He states that God cannot do anything without faith. All that we perceive in our five physical senses came about because of faith, not God speaking it into existence alone. Faith is released by words. Since we are mirror images of God in every way, then we release faith in our words, and words become carriers of this tangible, electric, force. The bible never mentions talk of a container for faith to be transfered.

I would recommend that you read the book Counterfeit Revival, or visit www.equip.org to see Copeland's own words and resources lined up with the Word of God.

[brent]

My concern with Mylon isn't with his singing or songwriting.
I really like Mylon and Broken Heart. I have most of their CDs.
It concerns me that he's involved with Word of Faith theology and has close ties to Kenneth Copeland.
It boggles my mind to see how people can get wrapped up in this heresy.

Ahhh, so we should be word of doubt instead? Thats not very Biblical.

LOL, neither is ALL will be healed, healthy, rich, and happy if they have enough faith. Neither did Jesus die physically and spiritually, separating from the trinity and thus rendering his work on the cross imcomplete. Neither is God's power is subject to how much faith we have. Shall I continue? All of these doctrines, the Word of Faith theology does believe and teach. Sorry for the Yoda-ism.

Copeland's errors:
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/copelnd2.htm

Here is a confession of a former member of that theology that gives a glimpse into that movement and why it is wrong:
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/tex ... n0026a.txt

And more:
http://www.intotruth.org/wof/tract3.html

Well I don't consider myself a "word of faith" member or part of any denomination, and though I've never really listened to Kenneth Copeland, I'm sure some of the teachings I have heard and read from others would come under scrutiny from you. But after having read through the debuttal put forth (namely on Copelands errors, though once again I'm not terribly familiar with Copeland himself), I admit that I find issue with a good number of the arguments. If there exists no power in the spoken word, why then did Jesus even say Mark 11:23? Or again in Luke 17:6, why would he claim that if you speak and do not doubt, it would be done? Further, James 3 speaks to the power of the tongue.

Also, if Jesus did not "die spiritually," our salvation is a very flimsy thing indeed. 2 Cor 5:21 says he was made sin on our behalf. That is, essentially, dying spiritually? I'm interested in your interpretation as it may be that at on this point at least we are in agreement, maybe not.

I do submit that many preachers, for me at least, have made an item out of "special doctrines" and definitely materialized many things of the Bible. Certainly I do not agree with that. However, when it comes to things like say, the issue of healing, you cannot show me in the Bible where Jesus says "I will heal some, but not all of you." Instead, I have verses like Isaiah 53:4-5 that says I WAS healed already, 1 Peter 2:24, Matthew 9:5 Jesus says healing and forgiveness of sin is the same to Him, and so many more. Therefore, I seek to build my faith "hearing the Word of God," so that when I pray in His name according to John 14:14 I know that He hears me and will grant it to me. However, if my approach is that I'll pray hoping that maybe He'll answer, maybe He'll hear me, just maybe, essentially it would be a crap-shoot, then I'm not praying in faith at all. James 1:6 teaches us that.

Essentially, if I am wrong on these points, what then is the Scripture truly saying?

You have ASSUMED a definition of spiritual death that is not correct, and have cut and pasted it on a situation that did not happen, using scripture out of context.

"Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore also God highly exalted Him." Philippians 2:5-9 There is no mention in scripture that Jesus changed natures. His personality continues to be the same. "Kenosis" did not mean self-extinction or metamorphosis of a Divine Being into a mere man. He who emptied Himself was the same with Him who humbled Himself: and the "kenosis" and the "tapeinosis" were two aspects of the same mind dwelling in the same subject.

Jesus stood in judgment for our sin and took our place ON OUR BEHALF. Read Isaiah. He did not sin. He did not assume our sin nature, the nature of Satan as they say. Jesus paid our debt anyway. That is what makes what he did so unjustifiable to us. It would have be justifiable if he had sinned or assumed the nature. Galations 3 says, Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree". So, he became a curse for us. The bible does not say he changed nature and took the penalty for it. Jesus was "a lamb without spot" when he died. Before he died, he said "It is finished, the debt is paid in full." THAT is BIBLE.

There is no mention in scripture that Jesus suffered in hell. That is a man made doctrine. Those morons misrepresent death, hades, hell, the grave, etc. The verbage Peter uses says Jesus "announced" or "proclaimed" to the spirits the good news. That does not translate to suffering in hell. There is not enough to build a doctrine on it. In fact other scripture says that his spirit was above the heavenly places while his body was in the grave.

[shawnpfan2010]

Personally, I really don't care what "faith" movement he is with now. To me that does not affect what he did 20 years ago, when he might have thought different, and even if he felt the same does that take anything away from the songs and their meaning??

[RockOn]

Absolutely not.

The fact that he's a WOF minister now doesn't take away from the music back then or how God was able to use it.
I can still appreciate it.

I was simply stating I feel sad that he's caught up in this group which seems more interested in teaching about health, wealth and what God can do for them instead of the saving attributes of the gospel and how we are slaves who are set free by God through His son Jesus Christ.