Another great video

[executioner]

RJ,

Even though you put these up here as jokes I often wonder how God feels about this slander you put up here. I also please ask you to take down your picture that you have up of GWB to our left. You know he is one of God's childern also.

[LolaSanchez]

RJ, that's really cute

Yes, George Bush is a child of God. So were all the Iraqi civilians killed in the last three years, so are the forty million Americans without healthcare, I could go on really.........

[executioner]

RJ, that's really cute

Yes, George Bush is a child of God. So were all the Iraqi civilians killed in the last three years, so are the forty million Americans without healthcare, I could go on really.........

It's actually NOT the governments responsibility but the churches and the Christians like you and me to supply the needs of the poor.

Also look at all the Americans that have died throughout our history to give you and I freedom and that is what is happening in Iraq right now and they are very proud and happy to have us overthere.

[LolaSanchez]

Granted one of the responsibilities of the church is to take care of the poor. So, let's say you (whoever feels that government bares no responsibility for the poor) and I committ to tithe thirty percent to our local churches so that we can adequately care for the poor in our community. It's naive to think that the scope of the welfare system (be it as fat and bloated as it, I hear you scoff) can be supported by the church.

Along that line, if it's not the job of government to take the moral effort of caring for the poor, thereby devesting government of anything more than the bare bones of moral authority- if not stripping it naked. Let's go out and support gay marriage and pro-choice causes. Cuz hey, it's not the governments job to be in the nation's bedrooms either. You can't pick and choose moral issues.

Oh yes, and my aunt Maria who died last year because she couldn't get the operation she needed, cuz yes, she's one of those medically uncovered I speak of frequently, thanks you for all the freedom. So yes, I hope that whatever wars we are in now or the future are working for true freedom- the ability of all people to have access to the medicines and necessities of life. I wish you and your church were around a year ago to take care of the poor- so maybe then you could have raised the 20 000 dollars needed for life-saving surgery. Since that is the churches job after all. Let's face it, let's think logistically. I don't know what freedom is infringed on when the government provides health care or welfare to those who need it most. Oh ya, aunt Maria couldn't "get off her arse and get a job" cause she was sick. But I guess that doesn't fit your theory. So forget about it......

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

I don't find it funny.

I support the war in Iraq not just because my husband was over there twice. But it was for a good cause. There are too many bad jokes about Bush but some probably not intended to hurt though. Bush is a child of God and a christian. People just don't like him cause we went to Iraq, he against abortions and gays getting married. Sorry, but I speak my mind. Sometimes I shouldn't. We went to help free the Iraqi people from an evil dictator.

[Jonathan]

Socialized (single-payer) health care...hooray!

Hooray for limiting the scope of procedures and practices to cut costs. Ever-lengthening waiting lists for all.

Only 5% of Americans in need of major surgery have to wait more than four months for their turn under the knife...Our enlightened brothers to the north, 25%.

Last year a lawsuit was filed against 12 Quebec hospitals by 10000 breast-cancer patients who had to wait more than 8 wks for radiation therapy. Oh, and former premier Bourasa sought treatment for his cancer not in "free" Canada, but in Cleveland. Ohio. USA. Its because you can't even get better privatized health care even for a confiscatory fee. Egalitarianism for all! Unless you can afford America's superior treatment and medecine.

Plenty of time for lots of curable and treatable ailments to become fatal.

Less stringent quality controls for drug manufacturers...

Hooray for artificial limiting of docs in Cuba-I mean, Canada, who see an average of more than 3100 patients per year, while American docs can make time for 2,222. So when you're done waiting, if you're still alive, it's get-in-get-out.

Restricted access to important medical equipment and procedures such as dialysis. As for a coronary bypasses, you are five times more likely to get it in the United States than in Canada. Access to CT scanners? MRI machines? Lithotripsy units for treating kidney stones? Angioplasty? USA.

Sounds like a right to stand in line.

Government control or private-sector choice: Do you want the feds to have their hands all over who you see, what you go for, how long you wait, and how long you have with the doctor, or do you want private companies competing for you business by actually doing it better? I won't even begin to get into the mindless regulations that would destroy the system further if DC gets its grimy hands into the patient.

Lola, that wonderful world is waiting for you.

America's health care system is admittedly far from perfect. But in my opinion, you can keep socialized meds. Free health care always costs somebody something.

The rest of this issue goes beyond a retarded Bush-bashing thread.

[executioner]

I don't find it funny.

I support the war in Iraq not just because my husband was over there twice. But it was for a good cause. There are too many bad jokes about Bush but some probably not intended to hurt though. Bush is a child of God and a christian. People just don't like him cause we went to Iraq, he against abortions and gays getting married. Sorry, but I speak my mind. Sometimes I shouldn't. We went to help free the Iraqi people from an evil dictator.

I agree with you and it is great that you stand and your husband have stood up for a people that needed us so much.

[executioner]

Socialized (single-payer) health care...hooray!

Hooray for limiting the scope of procedures and practices to cut costs. Ever-lengthening waiting lists for all.

Only 5% of Americans in need of major surgery have to wait more than four months for their turn under the knife...Our enlightened brothers to the north, 25%.

Last year a lawsuit was filed against 12 Quebec hospitals by 10000 breast-cancer patients who had to wait more than 8 wks for radiation therapy. Oh, and former premier Bourasa sought treatment for his cancer not in "free" Canada, but in Cleveland. Ohio. USA. Its because you can't even get better privatized health care even for a confiscatory fee. Egalitarianism for all! Unless you can afford America's superior treatment and medecine.

Plenty of time for lots of curable and treatable ailments to become fatal.

Less stringent quality controls for drug manufacturers...

Hooray for artificial limiting of docs in Cuba-I mean, Canada, who see an average of more than 3100 patients per year, while American docs can make time for 2,222. So when you're done waiting, if you're still alive, it's get-in-get-out.

Restricted access to important medical equipment and procedures such as dialysis. As for a coronary bypasses, you are five times more likely to get it in the United States than in Canada. Access to CT scanners? MRI machines? Lithotripsy units for treating kidney stones? Angioplasty? USA.

Sounds like a right to stand in line.

Government control or private-sector choice: Do you want the feds to have their hands all over who you see, what you go for, how long you wait, and how long you have with the doctor, or do you want private companies competing for you business by actually doing it better? I won't even begin to get into the mindless regulations that would destroy the system further if DC gets its grimy hands into the patient.

Lola, that wonderful world is waiting for you.

America's health care system is admittedly far from perfect. But in my opinion, you can keep socialized meds. Free health care always costs somebody something.

The rest of this issue goes beyond a retarded Bush-bashing thread.

Greatly said Jonathan; Our system is far from perfect but it's that best in the world. You got to remember that anything created by man is not going to perfect or all right in everyone's eyes.

[executioner]

Granted one of the responsibilities of the church is to take care of the poor. So, let's say you (whoever feels that government bares no responsibility for the poor) and I committ to tithe thirty percent to our local churches so that we can adequately care for the poor in our community. It's naive to think that the scope of the welfare system (be it as fat and bloated as it, I hear you scoff) can be supported by the church.

Along that line, if it's not the job of government to take the moral effort of caring for the poor, thereby devesting government of anything more than the bare bones of moral authority- if not stripping it naked. Let's go out and support gay marriage and pro-choice causes. Cuz hey, it's not the governments job to be in the nation's bedrooms either. You can't pick and choose moral issues.

Oh yes, and my aunt Maria who died last year because she couldn't get the operation she needed, cuz yes, she's one of those medically uncovered I speak of frequently, thanks you for all the freedom. So yes, I hope that whatever wars we are in now or the future are working for true freedom- the ability of all people to have access to the medicines and necessities of life. I wish you and your church were around a year ago to take care of the poor- so maybe then you could have raised the 20 000 dollars needed for life-saving surgery. Since that is the churches job after all. Let's face it, let's think logistically. I don't know what freedom is infringed on when the government provides health care or welfare to those who need it most. Oh ya, aunt Maria couldn't "get off her arse and get a job" cause she was sick. But I guess that doesn't fit your theory. So forget about it......

First off I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt Maria, but there are some things that she could have done. A County Hosiptal is legally oblagated to take ANY patient of ANY kind and give them the care that they need, Also a VA hosiptal will take in someone if they can proove they have no where else to go. Some of the top doctors in the world work at county hosiptals around the country. You can be in this country illegally and still get top notch care at one of these hosiptals, but NOT in Canada.
It seems that this system failed your Aunt, because its not perfect in anyway, but it is the best in the world.
I'm sorry you were offended about my welfare comments, but I speaking about the 81% that abuse the welfare program because they are to lazy to find a job. The welfare program was and still is designed to get someone back up on their feet not to support them for the rest of their lives, but there are loopholes that people have found in the system and they use it for their benefit.

Canada is a great country(i've been there a few times) but their healtcare system like all socialist countries is horrible. The government dictates what doctor you can see. They set up the oppointments for you(which can be months down the line). The medicines are NOT routinely tested and can cause alot of other ailments without warning. I know of 2 people from Canada that have cancer, but have choosen to come to a county hosiptal here in the states because they routinely can't get their treatments on time or at all because of the healthcare system in Canada.
I'm not pick and choosing my moral issues. Abortion and gay marriages are clearly against God's Principles and should NOT in anyway be legalized anywhere. God's Principles also state that it is nobody else's responsibilty to help the poor and the sick but the church and us Christians and us we have failed to do so. God's Pricniples will NEVER change, It's up to us to meet those standards.

Last but not least. I DON'T WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO CONTROL EVERYTHING IN MY LIFE. I want the right to go to the doctor I want too. You can't get that in other countries.

[epdc]

I gotta say that I�m not agree with alwaysjohnlawry fan about going to iraq for a good cause (it makes me so mad!!!!) BUT..... BUT.... I won�t get into an argument because then we all get crazy

[Petra Fan Canada]

I'm really confused.

The vidoe I saw was on censorship. The joke being they bleeped out parts of sentences to make it seemed like the speaker was cussing.

So, how did once again, we take that and turn it into a Canada vs USA mudslinging fest?

To all of you, Shame!! What non Christlike characteristics to be showing.

We are not Americans or Canadians, we are Christians living in our nations. Over zealous pride is also a sin, remember that when typing these messages. I feel embarrassed for evrybody who takes part in this type of conversation.

[Jonathan]

So, how did once again, we take that and turn it into a Canada vs USA mudslinging fest?

If I may speak for only myself, I responded to a statement by a healthcare-obsessed fellow American. I intended to illustrate the difference between our systems.

Just defending my country and my fellow citizens. On this board, there is no distinction made between us (the citizenry) and our government who buys power and then works to ignore us and do what is wrong.

I'm sick of self-righteous potshots being taken at the US while our government is sliding into totalitarianism, and I'm not embarrassed to stand up for my country.

[epdc]

Jonathan, i know that like wanting to understand you is something impossible to be done but could you tell of what is tha pic nodding all the time? hahaha

[Jonathan]

Its Jay from the movie Jay and Silent Bob.

Not a fan of the movie, but I like the GIF.

[Jonathan]

You keep singling out the USA's immorality, as if you haven't heard of the blatant and atrocious human rights violations perpetrated by every Arab nation, China, North Korea, the former Soviet states.

"But the US is the superpower and should set an example."

Those who are anti-American refuse to see the exhortations in Isaiah and Ezekiel that happen every day in virtually every part of this country. All they see is what the sensationalist media reports about our government. There is a clear line in the moral sand between our general populace and our government. Does our government provide welfare because it "loves" people? No sir. Government assistance to disaster victims out of charity and empathy? Hardly. "Elected" representatives only love themselves, and their actions have the intent only to retain their jobs at the next elections. There are few exceptions, spanning every level. Its not cynicism, its true, regardless of party. It may have been the original intent of the founding fathers to provide for the general welfare, but such is clearly not the case, which is why Christians are obliged to step up where it counts. So I think executioner is right in that sense.

Micah 3 is about evil rulers. No question in my mind that not only my country, but the world, is moving in that direction. Before all is said and done, remember, it's one world government and nationhood will no longer matter. I'll keep those warnings to Israel in mind, but the point is moot if we could adhere to Matthew 22:37-40.

I don't think anyone has made the claim that the USA is more "Christian" than other nations. "Christian" has become a nebulous and qualitative term anyway in this society. To make that claim is pointless anyway.