Re: A New Hope
Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:04 pm
She's got no experience. Based on the last election, I think that makes her qualified enough.
GMan
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Her mom almost was a heartbeat away from the presidency without deserving it. She almost won Dancing With the Stars without deserving it. I guess there's nothing in that narrative to suggest to her otherwise, other than the fact that common sense ultimately won out both times.gman wrote:She's got no experience. Based on the last election, I think that makes her qualified enough.
GMan
So what your saying is Obama/Biden was the common sense approach to the election?CatNamedManny wrote:Her mom almost was a heartbeat away from the presidency without deserving it. She almost won Dancing With the Stars without deserving it. I guess there's nothing in that narrative to suggest to her otherwise, other than the fact that common sense ultimately won out both times.gman wrote:She's got no experience. Based on the last election, I think that makes her qualified enough.
GMan
Your comments hit at home. I'm tired of the liberals bringing her family down.knotodiswrld wrote:I find it fascinating to watch the visceral reactions people have to Sarah and Bristol Palin. In really surpasses any rational explanation. In fact, I dare say the reaction goes far, far deeper than any reasoned objection to another person could possibly go.
It reminds me of the reaction that extreme racists have when they see, say, a white girl and a black guy kissing. It comes from their gut, from primal instincts twisted by bigotry; from a place beyond any reason or logic. Or frankly, beyond any compassion or humanity.
I realize that some people have a negative reaction to Obama, but most Conservatives object to Obama's policies and political positions and philosophies, not to him as a person. Our reaction is appropriate considering the level of disagreement we have with his policies and positions.
But nearly all Liberals have the reaction to Palin that I have described. And it makes no sense whatsoever. Okay. You disagree with her. Fine. I get that. Of course you do. That's why you're Liberals. But Sweet Arctic Circle, what logic is there in attacking not just her, but her kids as well? Where's the sense in that? And what's with attacking her and not her policies or positions? It just isn't rational.
As far as her qualifications go, I think she was more qualified to be VP than Obama is to be President. With the exception of an aborted term in the Senate, what experience did he have, really? I would take the experience of any successful businessman or military officer over an unfinished Senate term any day. So while Sarah Palin admittedly did not have a great wealth of experience, I think hers was just as extensive as Obama's. But that's not saying much.
I'm sure Bristol's first run will be for something local. Town Council, maybe mayor. I'm sure she won't run for U.S. Senate right off the bat. Although, I think she ought to get out in the world and get a little real-life experience first as a private, adult citizen. But hey, if the people of her community want to put her in office, what business is that of ours?
Matthew RJ wrote:
At least we all know now your watching the right network.Matthew RJ wrote:
For the life of me I can not understand the hatred spewed towards The President. For starters there are the birthers. They won't stop crying about a birth certificate. Funny thing is I've never seen any presidential candidate birth certificates. Did Ronald Reagan have to produce a birth certificate? And then there is the "he's a muslim" argument. There is a sizeable amount of Americans that believe the guy is Muslim. What gives? For a lot of people it might be a bit of racism, they may not have been ready to see a black (or in this case half black) President.knotodiswrld wrote:
It reminds me of the reaction that extreme racists have when they see, say, a white girl and a black guy kissing. It comes from their gut, from primal instincts twisted by bigotry; from a place beyond any reason or logic. Or frankly, beyond any compassion or humanity.
I realize that some people have a negative reaction to Obama, but most Conservatives object to Obama's policies and political positions and philosophies, not to him as a person. Our reaction is appropriate considering the level of disagreement we have with his policies and positions.
Wanting to see a birth certificate is not "hatred". You are of course aware that there were several people from Kenya claiming to have been present at Obama's birth ... in Kenya ... and to have seen his Kenyan birth certificate? Now, personally, I wouldn't have given much credence to such claims, but having such claims out there does make a request to see his U.S. birth certificate quite reasonable. What I don't understand is his reluctance to make it available. If I were running for the office of President of the United States, then I would certainly make my birth certificate available to the public should there be any question whatsoever.rexreed wrote:For the life of me I can not understand the hatred spewed towards The President. For starters there are the birthers. They won't stop crying about a birth certificate. Funny thing is I've never seen any presidential candidate birth certificates. Did Ronald Reagan have to produce a birth certificate? And then there is the "he's a muslim" argument. There is a sizeable amount of Americans that believe the guy is Muslim. What gives? For a lot of people it might be a bit of racism, they may not have been ready to see a black (or in this case half black) President.knotodiswrld wrote:
It reminds me of the reaction that extreme racists have when they see, say, a white girl and a black guy kissing. It comes from their gut, from primal instincts twisted by bigotry; from a place beyond any reason or logic. Or frankly, beyond any compassion or humanity.
I realize that some people have a negative reaction to Obama, but most Conservatives object to Obama's policies and political positions and philosophies, not to him as a person. Our reaction is appropriate considering the level of disagreement we have with his policies and positions.
Palin on the other hand, sheesh. When she resigned as Governor of Alaska it told me that the job was more than she could handle, and that means no chance at the White House. For crying out loud- she wanted to give a concession speech on election night- she was the vice presidential candidate!!! Mcain's people rightfully shut her up.
This.rexreed wrote:For the life of me I can not understand the hatred spewed towards The President. For starters there are the birthers. They won't stop crying about a birth certificate. Funny thing is I've never seen any presidential candidate birth certificates. Did Ronald Reagan have to produce a birth certificate? And then there is the "he's a muslim" argument. There is a sizeable amount of Americans that believe the guy is Muslim. What gives? For a lot of people it might be a bit of racism, they may not have been ready to see a black (or in this case half black) President.knotodiswrld wrote:
It reminds me of the reaction that extreme racists have when they see, say, a white girl and a black guy kissing. It comes from their gut, from primal instincts twisted by bigotry; from a place beyond any reason or logic. Or frankly, beyond any compassion or humanity.
I realize that some people have a negative reaction to Obama, but most Conservatives object to Obama's policies and political positions and philosophies, not to him as a person. Our reaction is appropriate considering the level of disagreement we have with his policies and positions.
Palin on the other hand, sheesh. When she resigned as Governor of Alaska it told me that the job was more than she could handle, and that means no chance at the White House. For crying out loud- she wanted to give a concession speech on election night- she was the vice presidential candidate!!! Mcain's people rightfully shut her up.
Which is exactly what Obama did, and the copy provided was certified by the state of Hawaii as an actual copy of an actual Hawaiian birth certificate. So that leads me to believe that those who refuse to accept the proof he's provided are questioning his integrity and calling him a liar, as well as questioning his fitness for office. All of these things strike me as personal attacks born from an animosity that goes well beyond a simple policy dispute.knotodiswrld wrote:
Wanting to see a birth certificate is not "hatred". You are of course aware that there were several people from Kenya claiming to have been present at Obama's birth ... in Kenya ... and to have seen his Kenyan birth certificate? Now, personally, I wouldn't have given much credence to such claims, but having such claims out there does make a request to see his U.S. birth certificate quite reasonable. What I don't understand is his reluctance to make it available. If I were running for the office of President of the United States, then I would certainly make my birth certificate available to the public should there be any question whatsoever.
I'm going to go ahead and put this one under "judge not." The man claims to be a born-again Christian. He describes being in church, responding to an altar call, going down front and accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. There is no reason to doubt this, and you have no greater reason to say what you just did than I would in saying, "You can't convince me that knotodiswrld has any god other than knotodiswrld."As far as his being a Muslim ... well, you can't convince me that Barack Obama has any god other than Barack Obama. Being a true Muslim might actually be an improvement over where he is now. It would mean acknowledging that there is at least One Being in the universe greater than himself.
Hmm, yes, because all those calling him a Muslim would be willing to vote for him in 2012, right? And I'm sure there's no overlap whatsoever between the people calling Obama a Muslim and those who call this a Christian nation, argue for restrictions to be placed on Muslims and conflate the millions of peaceful Muslims living here with the couple dozen terrorists involved in attacks or attempted attacks on our soil."Suspicion of Muslim Faith" =/= "hatred".
This is a fun trick, but it requires ignoring the Islamophobia that has infected the far right and pretending that this is an entirely different group of people than those who claim the president practices Islam. I'm not willing to do either of those, even if you are.You see, when you equate thinking that Obama is a Muslim to hating Obama, to me that says that you believe being a Muslim is a good reason to hate someone. Personally, I would not hate him even if he were a Muslim. But those who equate thinking him to be a Muslim with hating him, it seems to me, must think we should hate Muslims.
So "conservatives don't hate people for their beliefs." Good to know. So Pamela Geller, a conservative who appears frequently on Fox News says Obama is "a third worlder and a coward" who "is appeasing his Islamic overlords" isn't doing so from a place of hatred. Good to know. What about when she says Obama "wants jihad to win?" How about when she said "it is well known" that Obama "was involved with a crack whore in his youth." She also says Obama's birth certificate is a forgery and has frequently called Obama "the Muslim president."Sorry. Can't go there. Christians don't hate people because of their beliefs. And frankly, unless someone's beliefs involve harming others, Conservatives don't hate people because of their beliefs either. We may disapprove and/or disagree strongly. But we don't "hate" them for it.
Maybe so. But then we'd have to explain why Fox News keeps talking about Obama's race. Why Rush Limbaugh keeps using incidents of black-on-white violence to describe "Barack Obama's America." Why Glenn Beck keeps talking about Obama's policies as "reparations." That race-related language isn't coming from the left. Question: If Obama were white, would people still be doubting the veracity of his birth certificate despite the mountains of proof that it is authentic? If he were white, would people be so quick to dismiss his claims of Christianity and assume he is a Muslim?And then there's the whole racism accusation again. Get over it. The only people who care what color his skin is are the people who voted for him just because of his skin color. The rest of us couldn't possibly care less.
Let me tell you something. If Condy Rice runs for the Republican nod in 2012, the other contenders may as well go home! True Conservatives don't care if a candidate is black or white, male or female. We care about ability, ideology, and achievement. Condy has all three.
Well, liberals and Fox News personalities. And Rush Limbaugh. But sure, other than them.Get over the race issue. Only Liberals still give a rip what color a person's skin is.
Actually, it is definitive proof that, for whatever reason, she could not do the job. If she could have done the job, she wouldn't have resigned.Now, I agree that Palin should not have resigned as Alaska governor. Frankly, I lost a lot of respect for her when she did that. She claimed that the publicity she was getting was not good for the office of the governor or the state of Alaska, and surely there is some truth to that. I wonder, though, if she wasn't just terribly disappointed with being on the loosing side of the Presidential election. It's enough to take the wind out of anyone's sails.
So, I agree that it was a mistake. But I don't think it proves she couldn't do the job.
This is certainly Palin's version. It is most definitely not one that comports well with reality (her few fully openly spoken moments were horrible failures, a la the Couric interview, whereas her best moment, the convention speech went through multiple layers of edits and approval, as all such speeches do), nor does it comport with the McCain campaign's version of events.On the other hand, if McCain's people had let her speak more openly before the election, I think they would have had a much better chance of winning. I don't know if Liberals realize just how many Conservatives stayed home or cast 3rd party votes rather than vote for John McCain. I was planning on voting Libertarian until Palin became the VP candidate. Palin was McCain's only chance, frankly, and his team blew it.
The conservative turnout was depressed because McCain was not a conservative candidate, because the liberal base was energized by Obama's candidacy and, most importantly, because eight years of Republican rule in the White House ended with the worst economic collapse in 70 years. That's going to keep supporters of the incumbent party home, regardless of the micro-level issues going on within the campaign. Palin cost McCain far more by leading to major defections from moderates and women, who did not want her anywhere near the White House -- and still don't, if her horrendous approval ratings are to be believed.If Palin had been more in front during the campaign, I think you would have seen higher Conservative turn-out during the election. It is hard to say if it would have turned the election, but it would have definitely helped.