The Petra Zone

I saw it. Pretty telling. If this is true, and it should be because all of it came from Obama himself, his family, his history, his officiations and such, then I CANNOT see how any Christian could vote Democrat in this election. It is unfathomable to me to see how a pro-Islamic, anti-American, destructive, Marxist can occupy the White House another four years. If he is elected, and things go the way he envisions, there will not be a USA left to pee in.

Maybe that's the point. As I see it, there is plenty of reason to believe that America could be in store for some judgement and this presidency could have a significant role in bringing about that judgment.

Pretty sure Rev. 11:18 is not about environmentalism. That would require a very modern reading of the text and a pretty poor exegesis. You probably have a point about how we have treated the poor, however, I'm pretty sure my reasons for thinking that would be different than yours. Finally, I think the greatest thing we have done to bring wrath upon ourselves is the daily killing of innocent unborn children and the fact that we as a nation have pretty much turned our back on God doesn't help matters either. We get a man like Obama because that's what we've asked for through our actions.

there will be judgment, for how the enivronment and poor were treated. I like the judgment upon Sodom. What was Sodom's sin?

Nope. The church feeds the ppor and needy, the Gov't feeds the poor and lazy. As christians, feeding the poor and other programs are good, but we have to maintain the proper balance. We are to follow Christ's teaching and make sure our emphasis on choosing the more excellent thing, which is Christ. We could go round and round on this. The left in America is pushing the God of the bible out of the way, so the Gov't can become God. The only acceptable form of Christianity, if you want to call it that, is one where the bible is reinterpreted to allow the state to control everything, and tell people what they must do in the name of compassion.

Maybe the USA being the super power and stabilizer was of God and carried out his judgement on other nations? People do not like to think of it like that, because their nation is not doing as well. All I can say is your government's do what they want, to get what they want. If what they want is not what you want, they don't want you or your best interests.

Nope. That's what I said and I'll stand by it. Those things have their place, but we must never lose sight of the more excellent thing, and those things must never become more of a priority than our relationship with Christ. And don't let anyone say the Gov't must do those things. The church can and does do those things. There may be some overlap with who the two entities help, but the Gov't helps way too many people who don't need it, or without any expectation. They create a huge conflict of interest that they try to use to their advantage. Vice President Biden has a three letter word for everybody milking off the Gov't: jobs. We have to turn the tide on gov't assistance. It's unaffordable. We will never tackle the deficit if we don't shut off the faucet. It may already be too late for the deficit. It wouldn't surprise me if we are long past financially screwed. Just taxing the rich more won't get us enough to do anything, and it will just bog down the economy.
I'm ready for a few choruses of 'Na, Na Na Na, Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Goodbye." And a few days of phone calls that end with "You're Fired!".

The job of the US government is not to be the momma, daddy, provider. That is the family's job. See, when we break down the need for a family, it forces the government to step in and take over. The church is to step in and take up the slack. The church, which is the extended family, is to be the father to the fatherless, friend to the widow, etc.

There is nothing wrong with a government, which in our case is supposed to be working for us, looking after our best interests at home and abroad, from administering programs to help people. Sorry to say, but some people will not be born into good situations, will not have much brain power or physical dexterity, and will need some help for a long time, if not forever. Fine. But the government should not rob from some to give to the others. History shows that when the tax noose has been loosened from people's necks, contributions and volunteering has gone up. When everyone has had to scrap for food in food lines, there is no money to donate, there is no time to give. It is common sense.

nope? What do you mean NOPE? Sodom was judged for how they treated the poor, the sheep and the goats, the sin of Babylon in Revelation ... seems like justice and compassion for the poor (aka "Widows & orphans") is very high on God's priority list.

Different time and place, different dispensation...

Wait a second... someone actually paid money to watch this movie?

It was a good movie for both sides to see. It was not anti-Obama. It did what Obama himself and the liberal media will not do, which is tell Obama's past and discover his beliefs. As it turns out, they use Obama's own audio from his audio book, his family, his father's political office buddies, etc. If you line up what Obama and his family say he believes, then it is easy to understand what he is doing now.

brent wrote:It was a good movie for both sides to see. It was not anti-Obama. It did what Obama himself and the liberal media will not do, which is tell Obama's past and discover his beliefs. As it turns out, they use Obama's own audio from his audio book, his family, his father's political office buddies, etc. If you line up what Obama and his family say he believes, then it is easy to understand what he is doing now.

Yeah. Regular democrats need to get their head out of the sand. We're not dealing with a Clinton or JFK type democrat. We're dealing with a far left radical, who is fundamentally transforming America into oblivion. Frankly, it looks like he's accelerating and trying to finish the job before we can vote him out.

I saw the movie, and knew going in some of what was said. Most of the movie was using Obama's own words & speeches, so none of the missquotes that usually are claimed. After seeing the movie I truly believe the following:

1. Obama is of the Muslim faith
2. Obama is a true socialist and even has some forms of Communism in his agenda

This share the wealth idea goes TOTALLY against God's Word

He's certainly sympathetic to Muslim faith and Gov't. I have not seen the movie, but I'm guessing it paints a much stronger picture. He's definitely siding with them over Israel. He was instrumental in the violent and disgusting Arab Spring, and now the middle east is on fire again. The embassy attacks were planned well in advance. It's one thing to know the attacks were coming, and even be sympathetic toward those involved, or to have encouraged their uprising, but it's quite another to have an American ammbassador killed because nothing was done to get him out of there.

gman wrote:He's certainly sympathetic to Muslim faith and Gov't. I have not seen the movie, but I'm guessing it paints a much stronger picture. He's definitely siding with them over Israel. He was instrumental in the violent and disgusting Arab Spring, and now the middle east is on fire again. The embassy attacks were planned well in advance. It's one thing to know the attacks were coming, and even be sympathetic toward those involved, or to have encouraged their uprising, but it's quite another to have an American ammbassador killed because nothing was done to get him out of there.

The Obama Admin still claims that this whole thing with the Abassador killing has to do with this low budget movie and was not planned at all. One other thing that most don't realize is that because of the setup in Libya the Embassy was totally unarmed; I've never heard of an unarmed Navy Seal current or former.

The Obama administration are liars. Even the foreign government officials say that they warned the USA three days prior, and multiple sources have warned us not to make this religious. This is political, and Obama is not telling the truth. We know he isn't, because they have changed their stories twice now.

The movie trailer has been out for a months, it did not have very many views before all of this. This is crap. Those poor countries do not have computers, phones, etc with web access in every house. Heck, some of those countries get all of their news from terrorist organizations. As janky as that video is, I have the Constitutional right to grab my junk and flip those towel heads the bird if I want to, just like they have the right to say what they want about the USA, Christians, etc. I find it ironic that they want the world to abide by the Obama supported agreement not to say anything negative about Islam. Yet, it is ok to persecute Christians and close churches in Egypt. They want to pick and choose what they want people to believe and do.