The Petra Zone

Diehardpetrafan:) wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:30 pm

This guy wants scientific evidence that God could have created the universe/ existed at all. I've got some videos to watch, a book to tread, different things, it's going pretty good, I'm watching my back though as this could be sort of a dangerous subject

Diehardpetrafan:) wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:30 pm

This guy wants scientific evidence that God could have created the universe/ existed at all. I've got some videos to watch, a book to tread, different things, it's going pretty good, I'm watching my back though as this could be sort of a dangerous subject

Diehardpetrafan:) wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:56 pm

Yeah- my dad has some magazines that I've been reading and Abriana, the girl in college, has given me a bunch of different resources that will be quite helpful

The booklet I got at the conference that still has all my notes in it is more than helpful as well. I'm not even going to try and prove God scientifically. However, I will give him the Toppling Ten Fake Facts That Prop Evolution

Thanks, all you guys! You gotta be pretty brain dead to be an atheist, I'm thinking.

Mountain Man wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:58 pm

Diehardpetrafan:) wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 12:30 pm

This guy wants scientific evidence that God could have created the universe/ existed at all. I've got some videos to watch, a book to tread, different things, it's going pretty good, I'm watching my back though as this could be sort of a dangerous subject

The first question to ask is what makes him think that science is the right tool for determining God's existence? God, by definition, is a metaphysical being, and science, by definition, can only deal with the physical. There are many questions facing mankind that science can't answer, which is why the disciplines of philosophy and theology exist.

So rather than trying to answer the question, challenge the validity of his premise that science is the right tool for the job.

George Harrison wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:52 pm

Diehardpetrafan:) wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:56 pm

Yeah- my dad has some magazines that I've been reading and Abriana, the girl in college, has given me a bunch of different resources that will be quite helpful

The booklet I got at the conference that still has all my notes in it is more than helpful as well. I'm not even going to try and prove God scientifically. However, I will give him the Toppling Ten Fake Facts That Prop Evolution

Thanks, all you guys! You gotta be pretty brain dead to be an atheist, I'm thinking.

ACTS & FACTS and CREATION MAGAZINE by Creation ministries international are both very good magazines. The first is free to subscribe, second is paid. Or check out their website!

Mountain Man wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:53 pm

Just be careful getting sucked into an evolution debate, and be careful of which Christian sources you use, because a lot of creation science is actually really bad science, and there are few things atheists relish more than the opportunity to tear apart creationist arguments. The thing to remember is that even if evolution is true, in whole or in part, it doesn't undermine scripture, nor does it disprove God. First, the Bible is not a science textbook, and Genesis is not a literal telling of how God created the universe. And second, evolution can't explain why the universe even exists in the first place. If, as is my belief, God is a necessary precondition of the universe existing, then even if evolution is 100% true, it doesn't disprove God.

A joke my uncle once told me:

Some scientists were feeling pretty proud of themselves, so they challenged God to a contest where each would make a human being from dust, and then they would put them through a series of trials to see which was the best creation. God readily agreed, so the scientists set out with shovels and buckets, and God asked them what they thought they were doing. "We're going to get some dust," they said. "That's my dust," God replied. "Go make your own."

Mountain Man wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:53 pm

A joke my uncle once told me:

Some scientists were feeling pretty proud of themselves, so they challenged God to a contest where each would make a human being from dust, and then they would put them through a series of trials to see which was the best creation. God readily agreed, so the scientists set out with shovels and buckets, and God asked them what they thought they were doing. "We're going to get some dust," they said. "That's my dust," God replied. "Go make your own."

curt wrote: ↑

Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:29 am

Mountain Man wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:53 pm

A joke my uncle once told me:

Some scientists were feeling pretty proud of themselves, so they challenged God to a contest where each would make a human being from dust, and then they would put them through a series of trials to see which was the best creation. God readily agreed, so the scientists set out with shovels and buckets, and God asked them what they thought they were doing. "We're going to get some dust," they said. "That's my dust," God replied. "Go make your own."

There are two reasons to laugh. First of all it is a pretty funny story for what it is. Second, it is so completely question begging that anyone who takes it for more than a joke is mainly making a fool of him or herself.