Tons of Explosives Gone.

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SINCE I KNOW YOU GUYS WON`T SIGN UP TO MOORE`S NEWSLETTER, I THOUGHT: WHAT A BETTER THING THAT BRINGING THE NEWSLETTER HERE?


To Decent Conservatives and Recovering Republicans:

In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure. From having no plan on what to do in Iraq once he conquered Baghdad to the 380 missing tons of explosives that could be used to kill our brave young men and women, this guy doesn't have a clue how to fight and win a war. You should see the mail I've been getting lately from our troops over there. They know how much the Iraqi people hate them. They are sitting ducks anytime they go out on the road. Many believe we are not that far away from a Tet-style offensive inside the Green Zone with hundreds of Americans and Brits killed.
Bush refused to go after and capture Osama bin Laden. He fought, every step of the way, the investigation into the 9/11 attacks. Who on earth would oppose such a thing? If 3,000 people died at your place of work and your boss said we don't need to find out why or how it happened, he'd be thrown out on his ear. Bush's behavior after this great tragedy alone is reason enough for his removal.
You already know that George W. Bush is the farthest thing from a conservative. He's a reckless spender who has run up record-breaking deficits and the biggest debt in our history. He believes in having the government pry into everything from your library records to your bedroom. He has hit you with hidden taxes with his tax cuts for the rich.
I know many of you don't like Bush, but are unsure of Kerry. Give the new guy a chance. He won't raise your taxes (unless you are super-rich), he won't take your hunting gun away, and he won't make you visit France. He risked his life for you many years ago. He's asking for the chance to do it again. Scott McConnell at The American Conservative magazine has endorsed him. What more do you need?

To My Friends on the Left:

Okay, Kerry isn't everything you wished he would be. You're right. He's not you! Or me. But we're not on the ballot -- Kerry is. Yes, Kerry was wrong to vote for authorization for war in Iraq but he was in step with 70% of the American public who was being lied to by Bush & Co. And once everyone learned the truth, the majority turned against the war. Kerry has had only one position on the war -- he believed his president.
President Kerry had better bring the troops home right away. My prediction: Kerry's roots are anti-war. He has seen the horrors of war and because of that he will avoid war unless it is absolutely necessary. Ask most vets. But don't ask someone whose only horror was when he arrived too late for a kegger in Alabama.
There's a reason Bush calls Kerry the Number One Liberal in the Senate -- THAT'S BECAUSE HE IS THE NUMBER ONE LIBERAL IN THE SENATE! What more do you want? My friends, this is about as good as it gets when voting for the Democrat. We don't have the #29 Liberal running or the #14 Liberal or even the #2 Liberal -- we got #1! When has that ever happened?
Those of us who may be to the left of the #1 liberal Democrat should remember that this year conservative Democrats have had to make a far greater shift in their position to back Kerry than we have. We're the ones always being asked to make the huge compromises and to always vote holding our noses. No nose holding this time. This #1 liberal is not the tweedledee to Bush's tweedledum.

To Nader Voters:

See the above note.
Ralph's own party, the Green Party, would not endorse his run this year. That's because those of us who want to build a third party in this country know that the only way to do this is to build bridges with those who believe in the issues Nader believes in. But not one of those people will sacrifice the chance to remove George W. Bush from the White House on Tuesday. The choice here is clear: do we join with our friends, or do we piss on them?
After the debacle of 2000, the Democrats got smart and abandoned the conservative wing of their party. That's why 8 of the 9 Democrats in the primaries this year were from the liberal wing. Ralph should take credit for that and declare victory. It's so sad that he doesn't realize the good he's accomplished. But for reasons only known to him, he's more angry at the Democrats than he is at Bush. He has lost his compass. I worry he has lost his mind. But he still gives a great speech!
And Lila Lipscomb, the mother from Flint who lost her son in Iraq, she still grieves -- as do the mothers of 1,120 others (not to mention the mothers of the 100,000 Iraqis who have died because of Bush's war). That's what this election is about. Not Ralph proving some point. Almost none of us on his 2000 advisory group are supporting him this year. His total lack of respect for his best friends should tell all of you something about what he really thinks of you, too.

To the Non-Swing States:

Stop listening to how your vote doesn't count in this election and that your state is already decided for Kerry or Bush. It is critical that you vote because we not only need to give Kerry the electoral win, but he needs to have a HUGE mandate with an ENORMOUS popular vote victory as well. It will be impossible for him to get anything done for four years if there is no clear mandate. We must not only defeat Bush, we must put a stake in the heart of the right-wing, neo-con movement. If you live in New York, California, Illinois, Texas, the Northeast or the Deep South, you need to vote and you need to bring ten people with you to the polls. If you live in a state where we have the chance to elect the Democrat to the Senate or the House, you need to vote. Turn off the TV. Quit listening to news media that has a vested interest in repeating to you over and over that your vote does not count. It does.
If you have friends or relatives who live in the 30-plus non-swing states, call them and remind them how important it is that Kerry gets a massive popular vote victory.

To Non-Voters:

I understand why you stopped voting. Politicians suck. Nothing ever seems to change. You're only one vote.
Yes, politicians suck. But so do car salesmen -- and that hasn't stopped you from buying a car. Politicians only respond to the threat of the angry mob also known as the voting public. If most people don't vote, that's good news for them 'cause then they don't have to answer to the majority.
Almost fifty percent of Americans don't vote. That means you belong to the largest political party in America -- the Non-Voting Party. That means you hold all the power to toss George W. Bush out of the Oval Office. How cool is that?
I believe that we are going to have the largest election turnout in our lifetime tomorrow. You don't want to miss out on that. The lines at the polls are going to be long and raucous and fun. It is an historic election. You won't want to say that you were the only one who wasn't there. Promise me you'll vote, just this one time.

To All First-Time Voters:

Welcome to the longest running, uninterrupted democracy on earth! You own it. It's yours.
A few words about how messy it's going to be tomorrow. The lines are going to be long. Bring your iPods. Better yet, bring a friend or two. The election officials have no clue just how many millions are going to show up at the polls. This will be the largest turnout in our lifetime. They don't have enough machines. They are going to have to send for more ballots.
And they are going to make it difficult for you to vote. The new law says if this is your first time voting you must bring ID with you that matches the address you are registered at.
If for some reason they can't find your name on the voting rolls, you have the right to ask for a provisional ballot, which you can fill out and then sort things out later.
If you have any problems at the polling place, please call 1-866-OUR-VOTE. The people there can tell you how to find the precinct where you should be voting, get you legal help if you are denied the right to vote, or answer any other questions you may have.
If you need any help figuring out the ballot, don't be afraid to ask. If you screw up your ballot, you can ask for another one. In fact, the law allows you to screw up your ballot two times before you finally have to submit your final ballot! Be careful to vote on the line that says John F. Kerry/John Edwards. Don't vote for more than one Presidential, Senate or House candidate or you ballot won't be counted. If your polling place has a stub or a receipt from your ballot, make sure they give you one.
Thanks for joining us. Democracy is not a spectator sport. It only works when we all come off the bench and participate.

To African Americans:

First of all, let's just acknowledge what you already know: America is a country which still has a race problem, to put it nicely. Al Gore would be president today had thousands of African Americans not had their right to vote stolen from them in Florida in 2000.
Here is my commitment: I will do everything I can to make sure that this will not happen again. And I'm not the only one making this pledge. Thousands of volunteer lawyers are flying to Florida to act as poll watchers and intervene should there be any attempts to deny anyone their right to vote. They will NOT be messing around.
For my part, I have organized an army of 1,200 professional and amateur filmmakers who will be armed with video cameras throughout the states of Florida and Ohio. At the first sign of criminality, we will dispatch a camera crew to where the vote fraud is taking place and record what is going on. We will put a big public spotlight on any wrongdoing by Republican officials in those two states. They will not get away with this as they did in 2000.
In Ohio, the Republicans are sending almost 2,000 paid "poll challengers" into the black precincts of Cleveland in an attempt to stop African Americans from voting. This action is beyond despicable. Do not let this stop you from voting. I, and thousand of others, will be there to fight for you and protect you.

To George W.:

I know it's gotta be rough for you right now. Hey, we've all been there. "You're fired" are two horrible words when put together in that order. Bin Laden surfacing this weekend to remind the American people of your total and complete failure to capture him was a cruel trick or treat. But there he was. 3,000 people were killed and he's laughing in your face. Why did you stop our Special Forces from going after him? Why did you forget about bin Laden on the DAY AFTER 9/11 and tell your terrorism czar to concentrate on Iraq instead?
There he was, OBL, all tan and rested and on videotape (hey, did you get the feeling that he had a bootleg of my movie? Are there DVD players in those caves in Afghanistan?)
Speaking of my movie -- can I ask you a personal question before we part ways for good on Tuesday? Why did you and your friends fund SIX "documentaries" trashing me -- but only ONE film against Kerry? C'mon, he was the candidate, not me. What a waste of your time and resources! Sure, I know what your pollsters told you, that the film had convinced some people to vote you out. I just want you to know that that was not my original intent. Funny things happen at the movies. Hope you get to see a few at the multiplex in Waco. It's a great way to relax.

To John Kerry:

Thank you.
And don't worry -- none of us are going away after you are inaugurated. We'll be there to hold your hand and keep you honest. Don't let us down. We're betting you won't. So is the rest of the world.

That's it. See you at the polls -- and at the victory party tomorrow night.

[Shell]

Well, all I can say is...keep reading David's and Ryan's posts.

[Michael]

Elo...

In your heart of hearts you know Bush is a miserable failure.

In my heart of hearts, I know he is not. Why should I read any further? I haven't seen Fahrenheit Whatever, but I don't have to cuddle a poisonous snake to know that it'll be painful if he bites me. I know a snake when I see one, and when I see Michael Moore I know what I'm seeing. I've seen him on TV, on the Oscars, on the news, lots of places, and I know what kind of stuff he says, and I don't want to waste my time with someone who is just spouting venom to be controversial and further his own career. Why would I want to fill my mind with baloney? He's not even a politician; he's an entertainer. He has no credentials; all he has is a camera and a big mouth.

[gman]

I know some of the positives and negatives of both candidates. Bush is striong on family values, faithed based policies, tax cuts, opposing abortion, and defining marriage. He also has done some things I don't like. He seems willing to go down the road of civil unions in a way I don't like, he has enacted or proposed some massive spending that doesn't necessarily get at the heart of the problem, and his policy on our borders is not well liked by many conservatives.
John Kerry has proposed ideas for our economy, healthcare, education, but he too, like Bush, is proposing an awful lot of spending for which there is just not enough money to pay for.
One thing I do know is that Kerry and many on liberal side do not like traditional Christianity and Christian Values because they are too rigid and suugest that things are black and white, right or wrong. They are doing, and will continue to do anything they can to get rid of moral absolutes in this country and get rid of traditional christian practice in society. They are trying to get rid of the ten commandments and the mention of God anywhere they can. They are trying to wipe out the Christian part of holidays like Christmas and Easter. In their view, the best form of government can only exist when society is free from a religion that teaches absolute right and wrong.
So, Kerry and friends want Christianity in this country to go away. That would mean groups like Petra not being able to do what they do.
The choice is clear to me. George Bush is the only devout, practicing Christian, presidential candidate in this election and he is the choice if we want to keep our religious freedoms.

Did I compare my child to Bush? I don't think so. What I said was if my child tells a lie, it is a lie whether I am there to hear it or not. In the same way, Michael Moore's movie is lie whether I see it or not. The actual facts prove it to be a lie. It would be lie if everyone saw it, and it would be a lie if no one saw it.

[Michael]

Gman,

Thanks for following up my cranky, emotional post with a calm, rational one.

(That's why I normally steer away from these kinds of threads... it's so easy to get frustrated when someone doesn't see things your way! Good thing Elo knows I'm her friend!)

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you know both sides of both candidates.... GOOD .

Guys I don`t mean you guys both for bush or kerry, what I mean is that if you decide to vote for bush that you be able to say arguments about it, and in that I mean that you recognize both candidates failures and success...and after that you decide, if you decide Bush, IS OK!!!!I`m not supporting kerry either!!!!. My whole point was to make you guys think ya know.

shell, do you mean that i should keep reading that in order you guys convince ME? i know i won`t convince you either you`ll convince me. I didn`t mean to convince anyone of anything, just wanted you to consider several perspectives of each candidate before voting.

awww michael, I know deep inside YOU LOVE ME!!!!

[Shell]

Nah, I'm not trying to convince you of anything Elo. David and Ryan just do a good job explaining how the cool people in the U.S. think.

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so you are assuming that what they say is the right thing?.

Reality is relative, even the truth is relative (only God`s word is the truth and nothing but the truth, out of that EVERYTHING is relative, because each human is a whole world in their minds with a whole world vision and perspective).

[Shell]

Call me narrow minded Elo, but yep, I am assuming that their Christian values are right. I know people are different and have different opinions, but this isn't just a matter of opinion. David and Ryan believe that the people in our country who believe in abortion and homosexual marriage are wrong, and that the media is liberal, and they're basing that belief on Christian values, and I agree with them. I know for myself the media is liberal and twists things because I've lived all my life in an area where a lot of the secular entertainment industry is located. The media tends to ignore the fact that a lot of the problems we're having now existed before Bush ever became president largely because of the lovely administration before him. It's only by the grace of God I live in this area and haven't become a raving liberal, LOL. Having a good sense of humor is a plus too.

I do understand what you've been trying to say, people should make sure they're informed, and nobody can be 100% right all the time. But in this case you'd do well to listen to what David and Ryan have said.

This topic sure has gone on and on.

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yeah hehe. and i feel terribly offended because no one answered my dead people`s day post but sure love to argue this topic.

I should listen david and ryan? so you mean that their opinions and perspectives are the *right* ones?. That is not possible shell. also saying that ALL the stuff Michael Moore`s says is true is not possible either.

the whole history is relative shell, each person will have their own version of things, they way they saw it or lived it. that`s david`s and ryan`s vision of the world and I respect it.

I understand you think moore sucks as a person (you have seen him on interviews and I respect your point of view so that`s how you see it). But one thing is the person and another thing is his/her work.

I have met people who are awesome in painting and writing and arts like that and as person they are jerks. again, you can judge moore if you want as a person but please don`t tell me his work sucks if you haven`t seen it. If you would take the time to see his work and listen not as bush fans but just as normal people you would understand why he thinks the way he thinks. you don`t have to be agree but you would understand why he has done all he has done.

you call him moron just because he has an opinion about bush different of yours. that`s what makes me mad about this discussion.- you take everything personal, he is attacking Bush, not christianity or yourselves. He has a perspective of things and you call him moron just because he thinks different. maybe hs is right about what he says OR maybe he is totally wrong but this is the thing.- he sees things this way, he has a concept of bush and you judge him for that.

if you say bush has christian morals because of his deeds (because you have seen his deeds) then is ok but if you are saying that because he prays in public and says God bless you all then man you do need help.
I still think that choosing someone just because it has the same religion or belief you are is wrong. I truyly hope you have also seen his governor skills...

no one is right here and no one is wrong in this discussion, we just have different perspectives of history... though you still wanna convince me that your perspective is the BIG TRUE one...and i`m not, i`m just saying what i think.

I`m not fighting see? I`m smiling

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it stills amazes me how Osama Bin Laden made the huge mess he did in the WTC and know when Bush was interviewed about that he said that he wasn`t looking for him anymore and wasn`t in his mind anymore...how can you forget about a killer that killed 3000 people?....

well, prolly didn`t know that because you only read what you wanna read about bush...

[Shell]

Hehe. I just haven't had a chance to answer your post about Mexico's holiday. I have heard of it, though, and I'll read it again and reply to it.

I need David or Ryan to help me out with the rest of your posts, they explain stuff better than I do. LOL.

[LexingtonPethead]

Elo, I have a solution to all this bickering: come and live in the United States for a few years. That will remove all question of doubt that you have as to whether Ryan and I are right.

Imagine this scenerio: you could meet someone here... like a nice, young, single, Christian Republican, settle down in the burbs somewhere to start raising a family and be active in your local church. When you live in our eco-system and participate in the American way of life - especially as a Christian - you will understand that the things we've said are very true.

Elo, I don't think there's a single thing anyone can say to you in this forum that can move you past your argument that everything is relative to each person and that we cannot make all-incompassing statements.

There's a saying that when people are young, they are liberal (democrats); but when they grow up, start paying taxes, start raising a family - they become Republicans. Obviously, that's not always true; but people do often realize as they mature that the liberal agenda does not work, and that it is detrimental to spiritual well-being of our country.

[Shell]

That is a fair question, but not all conservative people are rich Matthew. And I've noticed the liberal sector here does a lot of talking but hasn't really made things better for anyone.

[BigD]

That's an unfair blanket statement, Matthew. The problem is not having a lot of money, the problem is letting it rule you-assuming all rich people are greedy is a statement that has no basis in fact.