Dallas and Mississippi shows cancelled; reason why

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:21 am

I emailed The Door about the postponement of the concert at The Door, and this is what was said.

We are sorry about the delay in this show. Petra's management decided to postpone this show and another in Mississippi because of not enough concert dates in the region to justify the financial responsibilities of each band member. At that time we told management that we would be willing to fully compensate each member, because Petra draws a large crowd and we know that The Door will be covered expense wise with the show, but they still declined. Russell said Petra basically had a FREE ride for this show, but they acted like they didn't want to do it. He went on to say that it is obvious that this Manager does not have the best interest for Petra and he wonders if John & Bob know the full story. I got the impression that Russell will no longer be dealing with him in the future and he is very discouraged about the state of Petra. I do not expect to see the concert at a later date.

I know the the owner of The Door(Russell Hobbs) and he is a BIG Petra fan and would do everything in his power to bring Petra to his establishment. This is really a problem that Petra has been having with getting shows. I know we have talked about this in the past and I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but this will be Petra's downfall. This is making it hard for Petra to get shows, and I am ashamed and embarassed of what is going on here.

Kaiser · Post by **Kaiser** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 8:33 am

Reading this really hurts.

I thought it was about the ministry and not all about the money. I do understand people have to get paid for what they do, but if "The Door" really offered to pay for all the expenses than what happened?

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:04 am

My impression is that John & Bob do not know everything that is going on with these concerts which

is usual for the scene. Most venues just deal with the managers and promoters until the day of the show. I wonder if Bob & John would have made a decision to do the show if they knew all the circumstances, but now it's too late. I expect that Russell will no longer try and bring Petra to The Door as long as this manager is in place. They have had words in the past.

pethead · Post by **pethead** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 9:28 am

John and Bob probably do know about it actually. I read in a recent interview with John that the lack of financial backing is the reason that Petra did not join the Festival Con Dios tour. Sounds like Petra is really wanting mucho bucks to do any touring.

Seems to me that if you are in a band that is older and in less demand and gets no more radio play that Petra gets, you need to live in a van and eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and just get out and tour! Do whatever it takes to be a band and get the message out! Festival Con Dios would have been a HUGE opportunity for some awesome exposure for Petra and they passed it up. Some other band is now making money on merchandise sales and getting exposure in Petra's place. Darn shame.

I am as huge of a Petra fan as the next person, however, I am really dissapointed in the tour part of Petra. J&H is the coolest most modern awesome record that I have ever heard from Petra, and it looks like no one is going to get to hear it live because of money. Again..darn sham.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 10:55 am

It does cost bucks for a big tour like Fesival Con Dios, and they may not have the money right now for a big tour like that. But it is a shame they didn't do the concert in Dallas when they were told the expenses would be covered.

I do agree that they need more touring, but still, be cautious about what you say on the Internet folks. It is up to John and Bob to decide what they need to do and make any changes necessary to do more shows.

I'm all for Sue being their manager.

I think they need to get a lady in there.

winterlens · Post by **winterlens** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 12:20 pm

I was under the impression that Petra had to pay to join Festival Con Dios and that they didn't have the money to justify the investment.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:01 pm

I think John said they "couldn't pay to play" in some interview or something... but I took it to mean that the expense of going on the tour would be more than they would receive in compensation for playing, or something like that. Not that Petra would actually be charged to be on the tour. But I have to agree with "pethead"... they need the exposure, and I'd have to say that the "investment" would pay off about a bazillion percent. Watch VH-1 Behind the Music or any biography of a band; the way you get an audience interested is EXPOSURE. Radio's not going to help, and CD sales in stores (impulse buying) will only go so far. Petra needs to play shows, even if it means a little bit of belt-tightening.

pethead · Post by **pethead** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:07 pm

Amen Michael!

Bigbilly · Post by **Bigbilly** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:39 pm

It seems like Petra and co still think they are a big band, and they can pass up gigs just cause they feel like it. Forget the fans and so called ministry, it comes down to money. If it was a ministry they would have done the shows, period.

They need to find an opening slot on a small tour and work themselves up. Maybe see about opening for some other 80's hair band.

Anybody know what number JAH is on the sales chart this week, or last?

Still on track to sell 100,000?

pethead · Post by **pethead** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:45 pm

This is definitely poor PR on Petra's part.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:51 pm

I gotta get on my soapbox here. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with the guys, and I don't even think everyone is required to like them believe it or not. Although I do think anyone with any taste would.

We all have our opinions, and there is no way they could be right all the time. But I'm really wondering here, what exactly is your problem with them Billy, that you insist on taking jabs at them? I am puzzled about why someone who obviously doesn't like them keeps coming around and putting all this emphasis on CD sales. That is not what is most important in the big scheme of things, and God is not keeping track of how many CDs they sell.

I think this is more a reflection on you than it is on the guys.

winterlens · Post by **winterlens** » Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:26 pm

Bigbilly wrote:It seems like Petra and co still think they are a big band, and they can pass up gigs just cause they feel like it. Forget the fans and so called ministry, it comes down to money. If it was a ministry they would have done the shows, period.

It's called responsibilities, e.g., feeding oneself and one's family. Buying food, paying bills. You can't minister if you're starving.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:08 am

winterlens wrote:You can't minister if you're starving.

You can't minister if you don't play any shows, either. And if Petra gets their butts on the road, things will snowball. They won't be starving.

If they're not going to be serious about this, if they are going to continue to flounder around, then they really ought to hang it up. It's making them look like a bunch of jerks, cancelling shows for no good reason. It implies a lack of character, and it will lose them venues... like Dallas.

pethead · Post by **pethead** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:21 am

right on..

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Fri Nov 07, 2003 9:26 am

It is expensive to put together a tour, and they may be trying to avoid spending money they don't have. But I do agree, they need to tour. I am puzzled about why they didn't go ahead and do the Dallas show when they were told the expenses would be covered.

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