Do you listen to secular music?

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:34 am

There is a difference between secular and outright evil.

Some Christian bands blur the line anyway, which would be bad if their message is diluted. If they go on their website or shout it from the stage that their whole goal is to reach people for Christ and then talk about "be nice to your neighbor," that's lame. Other bands I love because of their positive world view, their Christian values, even though their aim isn't necessarily to evangelize, ie Choir, 77s, DA, Pedro the Lion, etc.

Secular bands I enjoy are Black Sabbath, Megadeth, Slayer, Ministry, Marilyn Manson, Venom, Nine Inch Nails, Buck Owens and Manowar.

rock101 · Post by **rock101** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:58 pm

Yep I listen to mostly secular music....

adrinux · Post by **adrinux** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:54 pm

I've read every reply from you all.
I had to trhow away every the DREAM THEATER stuffs.
That was just about to become the first thing in my life.
I was almost worshipping them

Then the Holy Spirit brought me that God's word that says some like this:
"If your eye corrupts you, pull it away. because you'd better get into heaven with a missing eye than you go to hell with both your eyes."

And when I threw my DT stuffs away and I felt more peaceful.
I am glad Jesus set me free from them.
Jesus wants you for complete. He doesn't want just a half of you...

clyde · Post by **clyde** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:40 pm

I listen to some...I go through stages...if I listen its more of the classic rock or jazz.
I agree with another comment made here....and I feel it is a real problem...many of the "Christian" radio stations play a very small selection of music and tend to miis out on much of the great stuff out there. I think that this greatly contributed to Petra's forthcoming retirement. Many years ago there was little airplay for them because of the general disdain for rock n roll by many of the "Christians". There was almost a witch hunt in the day with all the talk of backward masking. Now Petra doesn't fit on some of the molds of many other bands. I feel if they were giving the airplay they deserved that many others would have seen the same incredible talent in Petra as we do here...
Anyhoo...thats my 2 cents...

charl · Post by **charl** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:07 pm

Adrinux, I think you've done the right thing if your concience is sending you that way...as I mentioned, you have to be careful about where your real alliegance lays.

Jonathathan, my brothers used to listen to some of those bands CONSTANTLY, and as you can see even I still have some of it memorized.

3rd_DAY Fan · Post by **3rd_DAY Fan** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:43 am

i rarley listen to seculay artists because I personally think if it does not center on God its not worth listening to. But when I do I like 3 Doors Down, Creed one lynerd Skynyrd song called Simple man

I also listen to it in the car with my sister. She listens to all that rap and hip hop crap. Like Eminem and G Unit. Cant Stand It

brent · Post by **brent** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 10:41 am

adrinux wrote:I did. and you?
What do you think? is it wrong or right?
I've been wondering about it....

We should define it.

I listen to all music that does not conflict with the Spirit of Christ. There are many great songs that have "truths" or are entertaining, that are not unscriptural. A song about a relationship is a song about a relationship, no matter who sings it. A song about going out to cheat, or shooting someone is another issue.

ALL people are God's creation. ALL people are to die for. Talent, skill and gifts are not legit only when one is saved. Even the rocks declare the glory of God.

We should observe what is going on in the music and video of the current generation, because it better equips us to know how this generation is thinking, handling issues, etc. It is an indicator as to the condition of the culture at large.

e5c4p3artist · Post by **e5c4p3artist** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 7:06 pm

executioner wrote:Most of the CCM is just to bubble gum for me. Here are the secular ones I listen to on a regular basis. Really nothing new music really sucks today.

Journey
Bon Jovi
Def Leppard
Stryper
U2

BTW most overated band is the Beatles, and most underated is Def Leppard.

Wow - we might be long lost identical twins!

Jonathan · Post by **Jonathan** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:48 am

I agree about the Beatles. They have some catchy, poppy fun stuff, but to attach an air of deity and infallibility to the Lads from Liverpool because of drug-addled bizarrity takes it too far.

Because you record something that people don't get, or can only pretend to get, it doesn't make you great.

Believe me, I know firsthand, since I don't get the Beatles.

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 12:11 pm

Well, they sold tons of records and had tons of people going to their concerts; they probably didn't really care whether anyone got them so long as the green stuff was rolling in.

seichu kaisho · Post by **seichu kaisho** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:23 pm

Shell wrote:Well, they sold tons of records and had tons of people going to their concerts; they probably didn't really care whether anyone got them so long as the green stuff was rolling in.

What color are euros, anyway? Are they green like U.S. dollars?

Susannah · Post by **Susannah** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:53 pm

Most of the CCM is just to bubble gum for me. Here are the secular ones I listen to on a regular basis. Really nothing new music really sucks today.

Journey
Bon Jovi
Def Leppard
Stryper
U2

Okay, I beg to differ here. Stryper may not be a typical "CCM" band, but they are most definitely a Christian band. I was at two of their concerts last weekend, one at a Christian club that was built with outreach in mind, the other at a House of Blues. There was no doubt at all that these guys are ministers preaching the gospel. I just don't understand how people can say that they are a secular band. This is not the "Against the Law" era. Those who listen to "Reborn" and go to their shows will know that Stryper is all about serving the Lord, ministering the gospel and reaching the lost.

*steps off soapbox*

reoracer · Post by **reoracer** » Sun Oct 16, 2005 5:34 pm

I agree with alot that has been said above. But I have a question. For those of you who strictly define that anything that isn't specifically Christian must be bad, where do you put classical or instrumental music?

Our pastor has actually discussed the topic that there is no "Christian" music, only Christian lyrics... It's what we take out of the song that makes it good or bad.

I feel that God has given us the ability to choose what we listen to, and the tools to discern what will affect each of us positively and negatively from those songs. The boundaries are very blurred in this kind of discussion, because a secular song that has no negative effect on one Christian may wholly offend another. It's up to each of us to use our learnings to decide what is good and what is not for each of us individually.

(Did that make sense?)

That said, I listen to more secular than Christian, jut because there is more variety out there. I don't listen to stuff I find "nasty", although some of what I listen to would likely floor some of the people on this board!

I just don't let the stuff I listen to that is not Christian affect my view of God or where I put Him in my life!

Jen

DeGroff · Post by **DeGroff** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:39 pm

I know I probably shouldn't get involved with this, but I'm almost happy to see this narative hit the Zone. This arguement of "should a Christian listen to secular music.../" is something I thought was dead and buried over 30 years ago.
You have to keep one thing in mind....those of us who started Petra didn't have "Christian music" back in the early 1970s. What was termed "Christian music" then usually meant The Bill Gaither Trio or any Southern Gospel Quartet. What is popular in mainstream Christian music now did not exist at one time. We grew up listening to everything that was available in the 1960s and '70s. That's how we learned how to play...that's where our chops came from.
The only Christian artists I listent to are either Kaeggy or Iona. I haven't found much else to my liking. I'm a fan of Yes and most of the English prog rock acts. I also listen to Jazz most of the time, as well as a lot of blues. i.e....something with some chops and musicianship. Now, that's all personal taste, but I have to say that one thing that bother's me is that a lot of Christians fail to live by the Scripture "...greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world" (1John 4:4) Couple this with the law of liberty found in Romans Chap. 14, and you see that for some believers, music is just that...simply music. It won't have any power over you that you don't want it to have. Conversly, though, I respect someone who doesn't want to hear secular music when they're with me. Just don't ask me not to listen to it when I'm by myself.
Also, you have to look at the logic behind not wanting to hear secualr music. If ALL, secular music is bad for Christians, than what's left? You realize that by saying that, you've written off music in it's entireity.
Consider classical music. One of the greatest influences in the life of Adolph Hitler was the music of Richar Wagner. Yet Wagner wrote some very beautiful things like "Forrest Murmers" from the opera Siegfried. But, wouldn't logic tell you that since Hitler was one the greatest evils man has ever seen, shouldn't any music that influenced him be banned? After all, didn't it indirectly contribute to the deaths of millions?
Yet, composers of any genre of music have no control over how it influences the listener. Some people can dismiss it, some people get caught up in it, and not in a way the composer intended. You can't blame the composer or musician for the choices his or her listeners make.
I'm surprised to see that this argument has any life left in it. Music is musc. Sit down to the piano or pick up a guitar and play a "C" chord. Is that a secular "C" chord or a sacred "C" chord? It's neither, until the artist uses it one way or another. Lyrics make Christian music what it is, and instrumental music can be used the same way.
It's up to the listener to discern what's best for them.
(Sorry for the length of this,,,but I couldn't resist.)

PJ · Post by PJ » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:48 am

Let's break out the old hells bells videos again lol, Why do we pigeon hole music into this secualr-chrsitan thing, if we are going to be consistent please add televison, movies, or how about restaurants, grocery stores, books, magazines, could you imagine not watching television because it was not Christian, Im sorry and please here my heart, if ll we had was TBN, I don't even want to go there,
and remeber, we need to buy Christian Cars, Clothes, underear and toothpaste, lol, bottom line use wisdom, God can use anything to minister to someone and yes he can even use "secular music".
If you have personal convictions just to listen to Christian, man bless you and walk in those convictions, just be careful to try and make those convictions for others.

The Petra Zone

Do you listen to secular music?

Re: Do you listen to secular music?

Re: t

ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½!!!

Stryper

I listen to secular music almost exclusively

Thank You Degroff

Who is online