killing isn't sin

[brent]

Since some feel that suicide is ok, because all sin is covered blah, blah, blah...It this is true, then why make a conscious effort to stop sinning?

Where do you people stand on abortion or killing of the retarded or elderly because "they would not want to live with a disease or disability, etc?" Since we don't care about God's Word and how decisions impact us on the other side of death, maybe Hitler was doing

[charl]

Thank you for finally saying this.

Telling people "God will punish you if you do X" is correct for he does punish all workers of iniquity. Saying then that Jesus covered the sin and bore God's wrath on behalf of all who believe is correct and beautiful. The law was a school master paving the way for the riches of the gospel.

Now one of the worst things we can do is regress once we've hit gospel! Don't play bait and switch "Jesus covered your sins, free for 90 days. And after that you are on your own chump" Live by the power of the Gospel!! He took our humanity and bore our yoke of iron that we might have his yoke that is easy-how can we not love such a Saviour! I can't add or take away from his act. I can't make him love me more or less. It is all about him. And shouldn't I want to glorify such a perfect and already glorious saviour?

We worry too much about hypotheticals. What if someone hears the gospel and thinks oh good I can do whatever I want then? While I won't deny that people certainly do it, they prove only that they don't understand the gospel either-to their shame. However I will not create doctrines just to suit such circumstances. Doctrine shouldn't be based on experience (what people do or might do), it should be based on scripture.

God has declared us to be righteous and we are free to act in accordance with what we have been declared to be. We are free to act as the sons of God. We are unrighteous, but God reckons us righteous. Therefore in Christ we reckon Adam dead, even though he still kicks. As every day we need the gospel, every day we reckon ourselves dead to sin. In reality we are going to fail a lot, some worse than others. But in Christ we are still reckoned dead to sin and alive to God.

That Paul was accused of the exact same thing for preaching the gospel says something. And that was his answer. We are dead to sin.

Oh and by the by I work in a level four long term care facility. Most people who try to weigh in to such debates (on both sides) really should try it for awhile.

[brent]

Jesus paid for everyone's sin, for all time, at the cross. Jesus took our place, became the sacrifice, etc. But if your logic is true, universalism would be true. Instead, though the price was paid for everypone, people still die and go to hell, because they do not accept it. They do not apply it.

We are still told to actively 2repent and ask for forgiveness and God is actively, faithful to forgive those sins. So I am not saying that there is a time limit on what was done at the cross. When you confess your sins at that point and time of your "salvation experience", you can only confess and repent for the sins you know about up to that point. You can't confess and repent for what you do not know for the future.

We are dead to sin positionally. We have not been resurrected in our new incorruptable bodies, without a sin nature. There is no power forbidding us to sin. Only the free will love and obedience to God. We are considered righteous, because of what we will be, not what we are now. What we are now, all of our works both good and bad will be judged and rewarded accordingly. What we are now is a bride, waiting for the groom. We know that he is coming and that we will be married. So we must live like it. We know that he will take us no matter what, but because we love him and what he has done, we show him by remaining faithful, with our lamps trimmed, and burning with oil, not snuffing them out early.

[charl]

I do not agree that Jesus paid for everyone's sins for all time in the way you suggest for exactly the reason you state-that would mean universalism. He procured his bride, the church.

I have agreed that we should exhort one another to holiness, that is not the problem. I am saying that when we fail (which we will), it does not change our standing before God-reckoned righteous. Even the grevious sinner is reckoned righteous if he is in Christ. Christ indeed is faithful and continually intercedes as our High Priest.
I have to ask again whether repentance and belief in Christ saves or does Christ. If the latter then we can't "undo" it or alter it later after conversion.

We are considered righteous because of what Christ is (righteous of course).

[brent]

You list abortion, the elderly or retarded - can you include your enemies in that list? Are they any different?

By all means.

[epdc]

My 5 cents to this dialogue:

This is what I think.

since Jesus already paid for all our sins, why do we have to stop sinning? we are saved anyways. well my answer to this questions is: because when you received Jesus in your heart yeah, you got saved, but being saved also brings responsiblities I mean, I invited Jesus into my heart, I started my relationship with Him, if He is the Lord of my life and we love each other, why would I hurt Him by doing something He doesn´t like?

Is like with our parents, they will love us no matter what, so what do we bother to behave if they love us anyways? because they loved us and we loved them and it would hurt them to see us doing wrong.


ALSO, being saved means that I wont go to hell but that doesn´t mean I will have a blessed life even though I keep doing wrong. If we wanna have a blessed life and we really love God, we will try to stay away from sins even though Jesus has already paid for all of them. Because is like an spiritual rule ya know, if we stay away from what God likes we can get in troubles ya know.

So I guess that´s like my explanation

[epdc]

theres a part in the bible that says that you can be erse from the book of life, SO, what I understand is that yeah Jesus paid for your sins but hey if God knows you know the right way to go and still dont do it, he can erase you ya know from th book.

[epdc]

theres a part in the bible that says that you can be erse from the book of life, SO, what I understand is that yeah Jesus paid for your sins but hey if God knows you know the right way to go and still dont do it, he can erase you ya know from th book.