management

[Shell]

Because this is a messageboard to discuss stuff, and there's nothing wrong with that so long as people are civil about it. This particular topic started out with some concerns about concert information, and then Wally making some observations.

And some topics just never completely go away. Some things never change, LOL.

When all is said and done, if the guys don't have a problem with management, that's their decision, and it's a waste of time to try to change things.

[LexingtonPethead]

If you have a "Complaint" It should made then to the people it's about. The problem I see is that this is a mesage board that the whole world sees. That is not how you would want someone to point out something they feel you're doing wrong, and on top of that Petra doesn't feel you're doing it wrong.

It makes Petra look bad when their management is bashed. It's a direct reflection of them. People all post their complaints here because it's easy to do. And if management sees it so what right? I'd like to see how many people would actually send a personal email to members of management listing their complaints. Half of the complainers wouldn't because they know deep down that it's not that big of a deal. Posting ideas off the top of your head, or complaints based on gossip or hearsay information on a messege board for the world to see without first hand knowledge of circumstances, or situations just isn't cool. It's also not Christ Like. Again this is not directed at anyone in particular, I'm just commenting overall about discussions that have taken place over a long period of time.

Enosh

So in other words, you're saying we should complain directly to management instead of posting here for the world to see?

I'm pretty sure it was Executioner who just recently emailed Wayne privately about the lack of posted concert dates on Petraband.com, or maybe it was something else - I don't remember exactly. But after the first couple of emails, Wayne started blocking Exe's address. Now if you ask me, THAT's not cool. In fact, it's downright rude. It sends a message that Wayne doesn't care about fans, what they have to say, or addressing anyone's concerns however important they may be.

Exe, if you're out there, help me out here, will ya?

[executioner]

I address my concerns via email with Wayne in early summer about lack of updated info about concerts on Petraband.com. His first response was to say they were having some tech issue with the site, but they would be repaired within a week, so as time went on this summer I checked every week for new concert info, but to my dismay there was none. I emailed him in late July and asked him about the situation with the web site and asked him in a Christian manner why is Petra is not able to get updated info on their offical site unlike other artist Christian or nonchristian. Needless to say I was shocked by the response. I was told to stop listening to people on thepetrazone that think they know what is best for Petra and that there is a big proganda machine on the zone just hurting Petra's Ministry. Everything he said in the email was very negative towards me and also towards other people that come on thezone. I emailed him back to let him know that I was dissapointed about his response, but he has sinced had my email blocked. I've tried calling the office and have only been able to talk to a lady and all she tells me that she'll leave him the message to call me. I've not recieved a return call.
I've done everything possible to contact him via email and phone and do the right thing and get everything straighten out like a Christian Brother should, but have been blocked at every turn.
I'm in no way trying to spread rumors or gossip, I'm just telling the truth and want what is best for Petra. I know there are a few concerts in the Texas-Louisana area that Petra has missed out on because of at least 2 promoters that do not want to deal with Petra because of management.
BTW these emails that were sent back-n-forth were sent to John via somebody here on thezone, so this person can verify that everything i've said is true.
I am sorry this is happening to Petra, I believe they have missed out on some large tour opportunities this past year, so everyone keep Petra in your prayers because at this point that is all we can do.

[epdc]

LOL, Doug, you are right, as far as I know EVERYTHING stills the same hehehe.

*WE* are making Petra ministries look bad with our comments??? I think management is doing that, not us. I have heard of people complaining about management, and it seems most of them talk about their own experience.

what would we write directly to them? apprently they won`t listen anyways. I believe executioner wrote a good letter with no intention of meaning "I`m having doubts of your habilitie as a manager" I believe he meant "what`s going on?, as a fan, I feel I gotta say that the website is not updated and if is not updated that`s bad for Petra and I care about the band and I`m just throwing my 5 cents" and this guy instead of saying (he could lie at least for being polite!!!) "I know, I recognize there are some stuff undone but we are working on it" some thing polite ya know, but no, he acted like if everything were perfect and he were offended. sigh.

[Dan]

But Wally is that not copyrighted Petra logos graphics and photos on your website. http://www.geocities.com/wallytheman/petra.jpg

[Shell]

It's a shame he has to have that sort of attitude. I wonder what propoganda he thinks is supposed to be on the Zone and what makes him think his own behavior isn't harmful to Petra?

[SamScales]

Shell is making a point with how behavior of management can affect and hurt the band, which is absolutly true - but I tell you what - so does the fan's behavior!
Just think if a non-christian comes on the scene....

It's ok to discuss things - BUT - if we all consider PETRA as a ministry then - by all means - let's really pray for them and ask GOD to intervene. Pray for tender ministry minded hearts for bandmembers, management - and supporting fans alike.
In our zeal for support for the band, we often try to take things into our own hands - and what happens - we end up messing things up more and lose credibility in the long run. How many times have we read in the Word of God about people who handled things themselves and - made things worse. Or had acted rashly or out of anger. Had they trusted God instead right from the beginning and had they been patiently waiting upon the Lord, they wouldn't have had to face all that trouble. God wrote all this down for us so we'd learn from their mistakes and don't make the same.

Guys, we don't wanna be seen as meddling fans. Yes, we do need to show our support, but there's a way to go about it. We need to show the world that we are Christ centered supporters. I can only pray, that as we are Christ centered, that this will rub off on the band - and management as well. Remember, God's the one that's in control and if HE is the one that's called PETRA into the ministry, HE is gonna make it go, or HE is gonna make it stop.
If God's not pleased with what's going on, or everyone in PETRA lost their vision, believe me, He's not gonna tarry forever...........

Therefore pray that everyone involved with this band has a heart and mind for the calling God gave them years ago. Keep praying that word will get out and correct info about concerts is given. So far, as I've said before, God always made a way so people would find out where PETRA is.
So do praise God for that one.

Pray That they would not forget that God called them from a life of sin and gave them a new life. That they may not forget the real task at hand.....it's not being just a band to make concerts and money, but that they desire strongly to be a band that reaches out to the lost and the hurting. That this will beccome their hunger and their vision. THIS is what WE can pray for.

[Enosh]

Thank you Sam,

Exe, I am sorry if that was your experience. And i'm not saying that you guys haven't made good points about the website and such. I just totally agree with Sam's post and that we have to be careful that we don't allow our disappointments or personal contact with band members or management to come out in this forum. It's just too public. Sam, that was a very insightful post and I think you said it best. If there is a problem, pray. I see the power of the praying man!![/quote]

[executioner]

Sorry guys, but I did follow what the Bible says on these type of matters.

1. I tried to approach Wayne via-email & phone, but have been turned away at every turn. I've done this 4-5 times since early June.
2. At this time I got 2 or more brothers/sisters in Christ involved to try and resolve the situation with Wayne but to no advail. At this time I decided to drop it and just forget about even though I and others that visit thezone were slammed with some vulgarity and other assortment of words that you would not expect to come from a Christian. That is why after some conseling with my pastor I decided to bring it to a public forum if the topic came up again, Which it did thanks to Wallyman.

I am long time Petra fan, and will go to great lengths to support this Ministry in Prayer, word of mouth, and buying merchantdise, and I would never do anything to hurt their creditibilty with anyone. I am hurt because of the things that were said personally about me and others on thezone on this email. Over the last few months I gone from being one of the biggest Petra fans to putting their music down and listening to other CCM. It's just not the same anymore. I am going to the Sherman show tomorrow, but I am not as excited as I once was. All I am looking for is an apology and this person refuses to talk to me about it. I know many of you disagree with me about bringing this here, but I need a final resolution to this situation and have found no other means to do it. I've gone through the steps with what the Bible says to do when you have a circumstance of this nature arise with a brother/sister in Christ. Maybe this will help and maybe it won't, but I need to take a stand.

[Michael]

Propaganda machine! hehe we're a machine.

The sad thing is that Petra could harness the power of the "machine" and make it work for their advantage. There is nobody that is a regular poster here on the Zone that has anything in mind but good for Petra. Other boards, that may not be the case, but here it is. If the folks at Petra would GIVE us information instead of withholding it, the machine could be their taxicab to success.

[Shell]

I think you're doing the right thing Exe; it is not right that he would do that, and that sort of thing makes Petra look bad too. Do they want to be viewed this way? It's ridiculous that he sees the Zone as a "propoganda machine." I am curious about what the propoganda is supposed to be. He.

I think Sam said it best when she said we should pray. God knows what is going on and He will stop it; you can't not do things God's way and get by with it indefinitely.

[ctwomn]

We all have to remember too that w/ any ministry there is the business side of things! Sometimes that side is tougher than the ministry side...that's the way it just is! I agree w/ you guys that it is not fair to the fans to give inadequate info...but we have to remember that this band is recovering from a long inactive period. We just need to remember that the guys in the band love Jesus...the same one we love! These guys have been through a lot....and the least we can do is pray for them, go to the concerts, buy the albums and tell everyone how proud we are of Petra for staying in there when it was hard. I know that we all go to churches where there are issues w/ the leadership that we don't understand....there is NO perfect church....nor ministry!! None of us "have wings a sproutin'" as my grandma would say! You know prayer can change the spirit realm in ways that you would never believe....until you see! What we need is to rest in the peace that things will work out for the best. In the end we are all brothers and sisters in Christ...weather we agree w/ one another or not..just a fact!!!

[Shell]

True, they've been through a lot, and we need to support them. And true, nobody is perfect.

But it's possible to do "business" and have a good attitude too.

[spottacus]

Don't waste your time waiting for an apology. Wayne probably doesn't think he owes you one. You certainly aren't going to get one.

Shake the dust off your sandals and move on.

[LexingtonPethead]

When it comes down to it, the only thing we can do is pray about the situation. It angers me to hear about how Executioner was treated by Wayne, and that the rest of us are categorized negatively when all we have are Petra's best interests at heart.

But no matter how it makes us feel, we don't have any say in the decisions Petra makes regarding management; and we can't make somebody aplogize even if they are CLEARLY in the wrong.

Executioner, I think you did the right thing buddy by sharing what you did. You are right to feel slighted and insulted, as do we. But you have to remember that neither Bob, John, Paul or Greg would have treated you or anyone else like that. We can't let the wrong actions of someone else steal the excitement we have for Petra, just like we wouldn't let them steal our joy in the Lord. I know you've forgiven Wayne, but there comes a point when we all need to lay it down and move on. God is in control and He will deal with the problem in time.