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Post by PetfanInCt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 3:47 pm

Shell wrote:Okay, at the risk of starting something (ouch), why are you so certain it's inaccurate and unbiblical Rich? Did you bother to go see it?

I may regret this. :roll:
Yes I did see it. I went with my wife. We were both were disappointed.

I have also read the Gospels, well so far 3 of them. Mel added things to the movie that are not found in the Gospels. I dont mind if a film maker takes artisitic license on certain things. However I do not tolerate artistic license when it comes to MY LORD and SAVIOR and the Word of God...

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Post by Shell » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:04 pm

Okay, I won't argue with you about that; I can understand that.

But a little insight from a lady who has lived all of her life in an area where a lot of the secular movie industry-I love L.A. :D - is located: None of the historical movies Hollywood puts out are completely accurate. Historical accuracy is not their main priority; getting the movie released and bringing in the green stuff is their main priority, and they have to squeeze a lot of information into two or two and a half hours. There are also a whole mess of people working on the movie and a lot of diverse opinions. That means information-sometimes information that may be important to make the story accurate-may get left out. It's a jungle out there amigo. :P

I would lots rather see a movie about Jesus than some of the garbage Hollyweird has come up with, I'm actually glad someone went to the effort to make a movie about Jesus.
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Post by johnathan » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:07 pm

I think that the movie has helped many people, I think the Lord can use anything to get as many of HIS people to come to HIM,let it be The Passion movie, Petra,someones testimony,or anything. Do you think God is in Heaven saying Mel it is so wrong for you to make this movie shame on you,you know this might make people think about who I AM. I am sorry to sound so mean if that is what you want to call it. But thank the good Lord above for letting someone to finally try and depict what Christ went through i am sure it was as bad as it was on the movie and probably worse so lets wake up people and support more of this kind of movie's. I would rather my family go and see something like the Passion and let people surce there souls than go to something that is so worldy,not sayin that i don't go see movies cause my wife and I love all kinds of them. Anyway that is all i have to say.
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Post by PetfanInCt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:14 pm

Shell wrote:Okay, I won't argue with you about that; I can understand that.

But a little insight from a lady who has lived all of her life in an area where a lot of the secular movie industry-I love L.A. :D - is located: None of the historical movies Hollywood puts out are completely accurate. Historical accuracy is not their main priority; getting the movie released and bringing in the green stuff is their main priority, and they have to squeeze a lot of information into two or two and a half hours. There are also a whole mess of people working on the movie and a lot of diverse opinions. That means information-sometimes information that may be important to make the story accurate-may get left out. It's a jungle out there amigo. :P

I would lots rather see a movie about Jesus than some of the garbage Hollyweird has come up with, I'm actually glad someone went to the effort to make a movie about Jesus.
From what I know..A less popular movie was more accurate and had much less hype..It was called the Jesus Film
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Post by PetfanInCt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:21 pm

johnathan wrote:I think that the movie has helped many people, I think the Lord can use anything to get as many of HIS people to come to HIM,let it be The Passion movie, Petra,someones testimony,or anything. Do you think God is in Heaven saying Mel it is so wrong for you to make this movie shame on you,you know this might make people think about who I AM. I am sorry to sound so mean if that is what you want to call it. But thank the good Lord above for letting someone to finally try and depict what Christ went through i am sure it was as bad as it was on the movie and probably worse so lets wake up people and support more of this kind of movie's. I would rather my family go and see something like the Passion and let people surce there souls than go to something that is so worldy,not sayin that i don't go see movies cause my wife and I love all kinds of them. Anyway that is all i have to say.
Brother I dont agree with you about the Passion of the Christ. I understand how you feel and I'm not surprised. I dont think God from what I know about the Bible was looking down on Mel and saying Good going my son..

Mel had another Gospel up there on the screen not the one in the Holy Bible

Galations Chapter 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Post by johnathan » Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:36 pm

so you are Judging Mel?
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:shock: its getting deep in here...
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Post by Shell » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:04 pm

Oi, I guess we're off and running. :shock:

Wonder how many pages this discussion will turn out to be? :wink:
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Post by PetfanInCt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:21 pm

johnathan wrote:so you are Judging Mel?

the Bible tells us we are to judge teachers and believers with in the body - that includes anyone who says they are a believer whether they are or not

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Post by johnathan » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:40 pm

man I love you but I don't know. I am gonna stop at that
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Post by PetfanInCt » Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:59 pm

johnathan wrote:man I love you but I don't know. I am gonna stop at that
I love you too brother.
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Post by judboy » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:01 am

You may be aware that Hollywood has produced a blockbuster movie centered on the things of God. You may also know that it was directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. While the film was based on Scripture, it contained a number of scenes that cannot be corroborated by the Bible. The movie I am referring to is the ever-popular Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments," staring Charlton Heston. Mr. DeMille was a Roman Catholic, and he took artistic license by portraying Moses as having a romance while he was in Egypt, and actually disguising himself as a Hebrew slave to tread out bricks. I am sure that when the film was released, most Christians rejoiced that from the pit of an immoral industry, godless minds were suddenly reminded that there was a God and that He had a holy Law.

Nowadays, most Christians are rejoicing that amidst the filth of Hollywood, suddenly another movie has been produced that flies in the face of everything for which Hollywood stands. That movie is "The Passion of the Christ." But some are deeply concerned that it was also directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. It also contains artistic license. It has scenes that are from Catholic mysticism rather than from Scripture (the appearance of a raven at the cross, Judas being tormented by children, etc.). These are legitimate concerns. Our forefathers in the gospel shed their blood so that we could be free from the chains of Catholicism. But we must remember why their blood was shed. It was because they stood for the truth. So while it is legitimate to expose the error of Catholicism, it is even more important to stand up for the truth of the Gospel.

Another concern that some people have is that an onscreen depiction of Jesus is a form of "graven image," and therefore a transgression of the Second Commandment. Those who think that making an image of Jesus on film is breaking the Commandment should read it in full. We are not to make graven images of "any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." That means that we shouldn't make film images (movie or still photos) of any person, animal, fish, flower, bird, mountain, etc. That doesn't make any sense...until we read the whole Commandment: "You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them" (Exodus 20:4-5). The Commandment forbids the creation of any image for the purpose of worship.

While we could argue about these issues, I would rather ask you an important question. If someone says, "I'm not a Christian, but I did see the film. Wow! What was all that brutality about?" are you going to reply, "I didn't go to the movie because it was directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. It's idolatrous and it contains things that cannot be corroborated by Scripture, and I therefore think it was evil"? I hope not. I should hope that you instead use the movie as a springboard to explain the way of salvation.

Think of Paul's attitude in Philippians chapter one. Some folks weren't just adding their own mystical thoughts to the message of the cross. They were downright vicious. They were hypocrites who preached Christ out of pretence, envy, strife and "contention." They were devious people who were so full of venom that they wanted to see Paul further suffer--hoping to "add affliction the [his] bonds." Yet what was Paul's attitude to such wickedness? He rejoiced that they preached Christ, despite the horrible baggage that came with the message. He said, "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yes, and will rejoice"

Do you remember what happened in Mark 9:39-40, when the disciples told Jesus that they had found a man who was casting out demons in His name. This man had a "ministry," but he wasn't with their group, so they took it upon themselves to rebuke him. But Jesus told them to leave him alone. This is because God doesn't need bouncers to help Him carry out His purposes.

If I had had a hand in the making of "The Passion of the Christ," I would have dropped all mysticism, and based it purely on Scripture. Also, (as in the epic movie "Ben Hur"--a wonderful movie) I wouldn't have shown the face of the Savior. But I didn't write, produce or direct it. So I tell myself that this isn't a movie about Jesus being a homosexual. It isn't about him having sexual relations with Mary Magdalene. It doesn't depict Him as merely a man--as did "Jesus Christ Superstar." Instead "The Passion of the Christ" is based on Scripture, with some artistic license. It begins with a powerful Scripture. The whole movie is full of Scripture...and it even ends with the resurrection. Christ is preached, and we should therefore rejoice and be thankful that millions have been graphically reminded of the cross of Calvary in a way they will never forget. That means we can either take advantage of an unprecedented opportunity to use it to speak further with them about their salvation, or we can whine. I choose the former, and I hope you do also.

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Post by johnathan » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:53 am

Amen brother, i am glad you said that.
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Post by PetfanInCt » Wed Sep 08, 2004 9:45 pm

You may be aware that Hollywood has produced a blockbuster movie centered on the things of God. You may also know that it was directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. While the film was based on Scripture, it contained a number of scenes that cannot be corroborated by the Bible. The movie I am referring to is the ever-popular Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments," staring Charlton Heston. Mr. DeMille was a Roman Catholic, and he took artistic license by portraying Moses as having a romance while he was in Egypt, and actually disguising himself as a Hebrew slave to tread out bricks. I am sure that when the film was released, most Christians rejoiced that from the pit of an immoral industry, godless minds were suddenly reminded that there was a God and that He had a holy Law.

>>>>> However; unbelievers then have a skewed view of God and what His Word stands for and is about. Jesus said you cannot mix truth and error, for the error will always contaminate the truth, not the other way around.

Matt 7:18 A good tree cannot produce evil fruits, nor a corrupt tree produce good fruits.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?


# Nowadays, most Christians are rejoicing that amidst the filth of Hollywood, suddenly another movie has been produced that flies in the face of everything for which Hollywood stands. That movie is "The Passion of the Christ." But some are deeply concerned that it was also directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. It also contains artistic license. It has scenes that are from Catholic mysticism rather than from Scripture (the appearance of a raven at the cross, Judas being tormented by children, etc.). These are legitimate concerns. Our forefathers in the gospel shed their blood so that we could be free from the chains of Catholicism. But we must remember why their blood was shed. It was because they stood for the truth. So while it is legitimate to expose the error of Catholicism, it is even more important to stand up for the truth of the Gospel.

>>>>> You cannot stand up for the truth of the Gospel if it is encased in mysticism and Catholicism. It changes the Gospel message into another gospel.

2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].



# Another concern that some people have is that an onscreen depiction of Jesus is a form of "graven image," and therefore a transgression of the Second Commandment. Those who think that making an image of Jesus on film is breaking the Commandment should read it in full. We are not to make graven images of "any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." That means that we shouldn't make film images (movie or still photos) of any person, animal, fish, flower, bird, mountain, etc. That doesn't make any sense...until we read the whole Commandment: "You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them" (Exodus 20:4-5). The Commandment forbids the creation of any image for the purpose of worship.

>>>>> Unfortunately, people do "bow" before images of Jesus - particularly Catholics. It has been reported that many people are throwing themselves at the feet of James Caveizel, who played Jesus in the Passion movie.

# While we could argue about these issues, I would rather ask you an important question. If someone says, "I'm not a Christian, but I did see the film. Wow! What was all that brutality about?" are you going to reply, "I didn't go to the movie because it was directed and produced by a Roman Catholic. It's idolatrous and it contains things that cannot be corroborated by Scripture, and I therefore think it was evil"? I hope not. I should hope that you instead use the movie as a springboard to explain the way of salvation.

>>>>> If one is knowledgeable about the gospel message, the error of the movie can be pointed out in a tactful and loving way. The gospel of the movie is not the Gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ. The movie portrays a fearful man who cowers at the feet of satan, is beaten beyond recognition, falls repeatedly on the way to the cross, receives strength from His mother, and leaves the tomb naked. This is not Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God and Savior of mankind.


# Think of Paul's attitude in Philippians chapter one. Some folks weren't just adding their own mystical thoughts to the message of the cross. They were downright vicious. They were hypocrites who preached Christ out of pretence, envy, strife and "contention." They were devious people who were so full of venom that they wanted to see Paul further suffer--hoping to "add affliction the [his] bonds." Yet what was Paul's attitude to such wickedness? He rejoiced that they preached Christ, despite the horrible baggage that came with the message. He said, "What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yes, and will rejoice"

>>>>> The point is that the Christ that was preached, was Jesus in Paul's day. It was a fresh message right from the cross in resurrection power. Today we have varying concepts of just who Jesus was. Religious systems have changed and belittled His Divinity, turning Him into a convenience or a "good man", not the King of kings and Lord of lords.

# Do you remember what happened in Mark 9:39-40, when the disciples told Jesus that they had found a man who was casting out demons in His name. This man had a "ministry," but he wasn't with their group, so they took it upon themselves to rebuke him. But Jesus told them to leave him alone. This is because God doesn't need bouncers to help Him carry out His purposes.

>>>>> Jesus also said,
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
In other words, that man was imitating what He had seen. Today, Jesus has become a swear word, anathama to many world religions. He has been rejected and scorned by those who have chosen to disregard and trample the Gospel to nothing.

# If I had had a hand in the making of "The Passion of the Christ," I would have dropped all mysticism, and based it purely on Scripture. Also, (as in the epic movie "Ben Hur"--a wonderful movie) I wouldn't have shown the face of the Savior. But I didn't write, produce or direct it. So I tell myself that this isn't a movie about Jesus being a homosexual. It isn't about him having sexual relations with Mary Magdalene. It doesn't depict Him as merely a man--as did "Jesus Christ Superstar." Instead "The Passion of the Christ" is based on Scripture, with some artistic license. It begins with a powerful Scripture. The whole movie is full of Scripture...and it even ends with the resurrection. Christ is preached, and we should therefore rejoice and be thankful that millions have been graphically reminded of the cross of Calvary in a way they will never forget. That means we can either take advantage of an unprecedented opportunity to use it to speak further with them about their salvation, or we can whine. I choose the former, and I hope you do also.

>>>>> I think if you compare the "scripture" of the movie, you will find that it totally misquotes the Bible. Many words are added and changed to what Jesus supposedly said as well as in other scenes. The scenes of the movie are neither Scripturally or historically accurate. The Bible does not give us much in the line of "graphic details", therefore: why is there the need? His Word stands as full and complete Truth.

The resurrection of Jesus in the Bible depicts the power of God bringing life to Jesus, complete with angels, the stone being rolled away, the soldiers falling to the ground as dead men during an earthquake. The "resurrection" of the movie lasts all of 45 seconds showing a naked "Jesus" walking out of the tomb.

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Post by Shell » Wed Sep 08, 2004 10:12 pm

This may come as a shock to you, amigo, but the Romans did not crucify people with their clothes on...That loincloth you see in pictures was added later. Crucifiction was the most horrible death imaginable, and they had everything stripped away, including their clothes. And those beatings did leave the people on the receiving end a bloody mess.
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