Judas Kiss Live: Greg X Volz / John Schlitt

[Jan]

Remember this is just my opinion and none of us are right/wrong its just our opinions.

My opinion is that this thread should end. I don't see anything positive about it. But that is just my opinion.

Positive reinforcement just leads to false atonement(lies). I don't know about you all I choose not too be sheltered by Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows, but to be in the real world you know like Jesus. This life isn't all about butterflies and kisses.

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He means he likes to keep it real.

[Jan]

Perry and John both make you feel the song and its lyrical content and make you believe it; I've never not one time ever felt that with Greg.
Remember this is just my opinion and none of us are right/wrong its just our opinions.

Yeah, I understand that. John definitely makes you feel the song. I admired Greg for what he could do with his voice back in the day, and still can for his age.

[executioner]

Remember this is just my opinion and none of us are right/wrong its just our opinions.

My opinion is that this thread should end. I don't see anything positive about it. But that is just my opinion.

Positive reinforcement just leads to false atonement(lies). I don't know about you all I choose not too be sheltered by Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows, but to be in the real world you know like Jesus. This life isn't all about butterflies and kisses.

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He means he likes to keep it real.

Thanks its good to know a fellow Texan has my back.

[SCJ-7]

Well, that song was performed by Petra here in Puerto Rico in 2002. It was the third song of the show...
John's voice (at that moment)?... Excellent.

[Muleya]

Steve Perry is the greatest rock vocalist of all time. His range and versatility is (was) without peer (it's an interesting side-note that both full-time singers that have replaced him since he left have wound up straining their vocal chords trying to sing like Perry). That said, Greg Volz and John Schlitt obviously rank very highly in my book as well.

Not sure I agree with this either. I love Perry and I'm a pretty huge Journey fan. I'd say Steve is one of the best, but greatest vocalist of all time is quite the statement! I think there are a number of other strong candidates that would at least give him a run for his money!

And to be fair, I don't think Steve can quite sing like he used to anymore, either. And honestly, I'm not sure what's up with that guy...doesn't seem like he has any interest in performing anymore.

I really like Arnell Pineda (BTW, if you have a source for your statement that he's strained his vocal cords, I'd be interested in seeing that, I've not heard it). Sure, I still wish Steve was performing with the group, but he doesn't seem to be too interested in that, so I'm glad they are carrying on with Arnell!

[Preacherman777]

What I said about John was just a matter of comparing the two videos posted. No, Greg can't get as high as he used to either, but in his day, Greg's highs were well beyond anything John could do, (without having to scream anyway) so it stands to reason that at 60, Greg can still sing higher than John. The simple fact of my statement was that Greg (in the videos posted) could hit the notes that John could not. When John tried to go for those high notes, his voice broke down badly, but Greg hit them no problem. It was not a bash on John. Age does what it does. There's a lot of things I can't do as well anymore either and I'm not as old as those guys.

[Dan]

What I said about John was just a matter of comparing the two videos posted. No, Greg can't get as high as he used to either, but in his day, Greg's highs were well beyond anything John could do, (without having to scream anyway) so it stands to reason that at 60, Greg can still sing higher than John. The simple fact of my statement was that Greg (in the videos posted) could hit the notes that John could not. When John tried to go for those high notes, his voice broke down badly, but Greg hit them no problem. It was not a bash on John. Age does what it does. There's a lot of things I can't do as well anymore either and I'm not as old as those guys.

Preacher are you familiar with John's Head East days? his notes were higher technically, and lows more than an octave lower giving a far more dynamic range. John hasn't really hit the notes he did in the 70's ever in Petra, well not on any record, on tour he did this has been documented.

[sue d.]

I've been reading along about the comparisons; I don't know who sings higher or lower at this stage of the game. I haven't really listened that closely to what Greg can or can not do.

But I DO want to offer a thought here in regards to this statement:

The simple fact of my statement was that Greg (in the videos posted) could hit the notes that John could not. When John tried to go for those high notes, his voice broke down badly, but Greg hit them no problem. It was not a bash on John. Age does what it does.

Has anyone considered the fact that John has had FAR more years of vocal wear & tear than Greg? Rather than age being the main factor, let me propose that USE of John's voice due to all the years of touring has had more of an effect (assuming this is true - I'm not sure it is, other than this one example) on his vocals than on Greg's.

[Boray]

Has anyone considered the fact that John has had FAR more years of vocal wear & tear than Greg? Rather than age being the main factor, let me propose that USE of John's voice due to all the years of touring has had more of an effect (assuming this is true - I'm not sure it is, other than this one example) on his vocals than on Greg's.

I think so too.

[fcollazo]

all I know is that at this stage both john and greg can hit notes higher than a lot of younger artists, and in a more pleasant way, if they stay within their respective age given ranges.

[DeSoto]

They are both great singers with their own charisma and they stand für two outstanding periods of christian rock with PETRA...no need to put them in a competition who may be the better singer or may climb the higher notes...

[Preacherman777]

Again, I didn't say what said to put them in competition. It was just an observation about the videos and I offered a reason for why I though it might be, but Sue made a very good point. John's voice probably has had far more wear and tear than Greg's and I don't discount that at all. Whatever the reason, it was just an observation. I have never been into the whole John vs. Greg thing. I think they are both great singers and have both contributed mightily to Petra's greatness. However, they are also very different types of singers. John is more of a hard rock singer with a gritty voice that accomplishes dynamics of range by screaming into a note and it's that ability, that for John, seems to be diminishing, while Greg is more of clean singer who accomplishes dynamics of range within a pure vocal. He's lost some of his range, but not that much.

Yes, I can often be found defending Greg, but that's not because I put them in competition, but rather because Greg has so often been put down in one way or another (due to the competition that others put them in) and I don't think he deserves to be treated like some old news, half baked, old singer whose importance has been diminished by John. Neither do I think Greg being back with Petra now diminishes John in any way. So, all of this to say, those who may have taken offense at my comments, I'm sorry, it was not intended. I was just a little sad to see that John had so obviously lost some of his vocal ability and so I made mention of it. That's all it was.

[p-freak]

Recently I\'ve been listening a lot to some old e recordings with Volz and it feels like his voice really changed from the early 70s to the early 80s. It feels like his voice has become sort of \'thinner\' (in a good way) over the years. And he doesn\'t seem to have lost anything. But Sue might be right. I think at the end of the 80s Volz stopped using his high range. He didn\'t strain his voice too much on his solo albums in the late 90s and 2000s. And his touring schedule was definitely much lighter than John\'s.

Visit http://www.twitter.com/petraspective to download and listen to the earliest studio recordings of Greg X. Volz I have from 1969 with a band called Gidians Bible. Great stuff and it\'s really interesting to compare his voice there to what he\'s doing on BTTR.

[Boray]

Visit http://www.twitter.com/petraspective to download and listen to the earliest studio recordings of Greg X. Volz I have from 1969 with a band called Gidians Bible. Great stuff and it\'s really interesting to compare his voice there to what he\'s doing on BTTR.

Thanks!!! Not strange he sounds different. He was just 19 years old in 1969!

[Dan]

Again, I didn't say what said to put them in competition. It was just an observation about the videos and I offered a reason for why I though it might be, but Sue made a very good point. John's voice probably has had far more wear and tear than Greg's and I don't discount that at all. Whatever the reason, it was just an observation. I have never been into the whole John vs. Greg thing. I think they are both great singers and have both contributed mightily to Petra's greatness. However, they are also very different types of singers. John is more of a hard rock singer with a gritty voice that accomplishes dynamics of range by screaming into a note and it's that ability, that for John, seems to be diminishing, while Greg is more of clean singer who accomplishes dynamics of range within a pure vocal. He's lost some of his range, but not that much.

Yes, I can often be found defending Greg, but that's not because I put them in competition, but rather because Greg has so often been put down in one way or another (due to the competition that others put them in) and I don't think he deserves to be treated like some old news, half baked, old singer whose importance has been diminished by John. Neither do I think Greg being back with Petra now diminishes John in any way. So, all of this to say, those who may have taken offense at my comments, I'm sorry, it was not intended. I was just a little sad to see that John had so obviously lost some of his vocal ability and so I made mention of it. That's all it was.

Preacher no one took offense, you made an observation that's cool.