Tons of Explosives Gone.

[PetfanInCt]

I thought there wasn't any WMD in Iraq.

Certain News stations sat on the story for I guess weeks. Probably were moved by Saddam before the war.

NBC is now saying they really dont have the whole story or all the facts about it.

Kerry jumped all over it, describing it has a huge scandal only to get worse. Is this the best the the libs can do as a last minute october election surprise its laughable how desperate they are...

In Christ
RIch

[epdc]

if there were an scandal against kerry you would say "WOW, I knew Kerry wasn`t honest!!!!" but since the attack is against bush you are saying "UH Kerry wants to get attention to him".

Sadly I can see you are not objective.....

Ya know guys, I can see you are blind, you don`t see the truth or believe in the truth you only hear what Bush says and take it as a true and no matter what kerry says you thinks he is not honest. YOU CAN`T DO THAT IF YOU ARE GONNA VOTE. Yeah, you gotta hear what both candidates have to say BUT you also gotta hear what other people says, even if their believes are not agree with yours.

[epdc]

think about this:


sometimes the truth is so ugly that you rather believe lies only because are more pretty....

[BigD]

Ep, I hate to rain on your parade, but these explosives were gone before US soldiers entered Iraq. So this is indeed a case of Kerry's campaign jumping on anything and everything to garner support, regardless of whether the facts back them up.

As for being objective, since I'm not an American I shouldn't say much more then I already have. I support Bush, and I've looked at both sides. It ain't just because I hate Kerry.

[LexingtonPethead]

if there were an scandal against kerry you would say "WOW, I knew Kerry wasn`t honest!!!!" but since the attack is against bush you are saying "UH Kerry wants to get attention to him".

Sadly I can see you are not objective.....

Sorry Elo. Kerry doesn't know what he's talking about - and he's showing a strong lack of leadership abilities. It's not a question of whether we're being objective. The facts simply do not support Kerry's accusations.

The fact is, there is documentation that PROVES the Russians came in and moved those exposives to Pakistan WEEKS before the war in Iraq ever began.

Kerry is jumping to conclusions so he can exploit people who are ignorant and uninformed. Bush's problem is that he is too nice to call John Kerry out on being the liar that he is.

Just like Bush said - someone who jumps to conclusions before knowing the facts is not someone you want as president.

[gman]

no, if there were some scandal brought against Kerry and the facts proved it to be dead wrong, I would be outraged. I'd like to think that moral republicans, like George Bush, wouldn't try something that low.

It seems to me that when Kerry and his supporters try crap like a non story or phony documents, republicans don't cry and whine, or beg for them to stop. They just lay out all the facts and prove the story to be wrong. However, when people like the SwiftVets and others come along and make charges, the Libs don't lay out any facts. They cry and whine, and do everything they can to try and get the opposing voice silenced.
They won't compete in the arena of ideas and will do whatever it takes to win. They are already disenfranchising voters and putting the wheels in motion thru lawsuits and other means, to turn this election into a scandal if it is even close.

[LexingtonPethead]

I posted this in another thread, it belongs here to in this conversation.

How could any Christian vote for Kerry with evidence like this:

http://www.stupidvideos.com/Default.asp

Check out the video called, "John Kerry for President"

I don't know if you're being facetious or not, but really - RJ, there's a lot of truth in that video.

[Historymaker]

Sorry, Elo...

I was happy to lurk and read the posts, and I was somewhat amused at your observations regarding 'non-objectivity' on the part of many of those who post on this zone who have chosen to support President George W. Bush.

Your statement 'I can see you are blind, you don't see the truth or believe in the truth' has more than pushed the envelope of criticism. In respect to your views and how they are contrary to ours, forgive me for pointing out a glaringly obvious detail: You do not live here. It has never been my intent to use this fact to discount your views and ideas, but with your latest statement I have to call a spade a spade.

You have defended John Kerry in the name of objectivity. You have defended Michael Moore in the name of objectivity. FACTS do not support the statements of John Kerry. FACTS do not support the ridiculous fabrications of Michael Moore's movie.

Elo, I can only fathom how you hear news from the US and how you subsequently formulate your ideas regarding policy and government. It is imperative that you understand, regardless of what you hear elsewhere, that the godless, immoral sector of our nation DESPISES President Bush! He represents a commitment to Jesus Christ, a commitment to moral values such as his stance against abortion, homosexual marriage, as well as his advocation of abstinence. In most journalistic circles from where you may get your news Elo, either stateside or abroad, these are NOT popular traits!

The Bible says we will know Christians by their love, and by their fruit. Elo, I know you love Jesus. It's not a matter of whether or not I'm being 'objective', it's just a fact that is evidenced in your everyday life. What if someone came up to me and told me that your Christianity was a lie? And what if I was to disagree with that person? Would I be being stubborn and obstinate? NON-OBJECTIVE? Or would I be relying on the TRUTH that you are indeed a child of our King? So it is for many of us with our President. I believe... no, I KNOW that he follows Jesus and trusts His guidance and wisdom. Is President Bush perfect? Like all of us, far from it. Has he made mistakes in office? I don't think it would be intellectually honest to say 'no'. But the fruit is there... the values are there... and the walk is there.

John Kerry does not choose to protect the unborn. Elo, do you know what partial birth abortion is? It's a horrific procedure where the baby is partially delivered and the baby's skull is collapsed, imploded. I am a father of a two year old son and I am disgusted and outraged that I live in a nation where such a fate could befall the most precious gift of innocence and life we have. In a bold, controversial move, George W. Bush worked to intoduce legislation that would ban and prohibit this awful practice. With God's grace, the measure passed and is now law in the United States of America. Would it matter to you if I told you that John Kerry voted AGAINST this measure? That he chose NOT to defend unborn human life? It matters to me. My son was unborn at one time, too. It sure as heck matters to me.

Elo, there are a number of other issues where George W. Bush and John Kerry are very different. I don't know what facts you know and what facts you don't. I implore you to NOT do what you said in your post about 'hearing what other people say'. I did not make my decision by listening to what other people say. I encourage you to pray, research the Senate records and votes of John Kerry, and research the presidential records of President Bush. It is very clear where godly principles are and where they aren't and to be called 'blind' for supporting President Bush is a grave injustice.

Though the analogy is extreme, I don't have to crack open a satanic bible so I can weigh whether or not the Holy Bible is accurate and factual. I reiterate - EXTREME analogy. I am not comparing either candidate to Satan or to God.

I am a Christian, an American, a conservative, and a hispanic... and it is my beliefs (not Michael Moore, not Sean Hannity) my convictions (not the newsmedia) and my concsience that dictate my support for President Bush.

Thank you for reading my post... you completely rock, Elo... and I admire you for your interest and involvement in American politics. It can really be quite a circus here...

Have a super weekend,
tu hermano Ryan

[epdc]

you are hispanic??? HOW COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! are your relatives from M�xico or from where?????? HOW EXCITING!!!!!!!!!



1.- I never said I support Kerry or that I support Moore. I don`t support ANY of the candidates, NONE of them convince me at all!!!!! (they don`t have to convince me LOL, I don`t even live there LOL). What I mean is that you guys have to check BOTH sides of EACH candidate (it seems you have and ya know I`m really glad about that!), and in what I don`t mean "checking the negative and positive side of Kerry and ONLY the positive side of Bush", if you are gonna check both sides of Kerry LIKE IT OR NOT you guys have to see the NEGATIVE side of Bush too. AND, only AFTER seeing that if you still wanna vote for Bush or you changed your mine and wanna vote for Kerry FINE.

Is just that most of people here talk about Bush like if they were fanatics ya know (I know that`s not the intention but it sounds like it sometimes) and ya know, I can tell that attitude by people refusing to see Michael Moore`s movie. Most of people here says that Moore os a moron and a liar but ya know Ryan, when I asked WHO actually watched it and realize it was all a lie, everyone said I HAVEN`T SEEN IT.

Now tell me, HOW CAN SOMEONE SAY A WORK SUCKS IF THEY HAVEN`T SEEN IT? I wouldn`t trust that. They got their opinions from other people (and I think that`s cool IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE WORK TOO). and after that people told me about Celsius 41.11 and they said IT IS AWESOME and hasn`t even appear on da movies yet!!!!!!!!! wanna know why they think is awesome? because it supports Bush. and believe me, I TOTALLY respect that. If you ask me I don`t support any of the candidates . My only point here is that you guys gotta know the NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE side of each candidate (I know you guys wanna know only the good side of Bush but if you are gonna make something important.- like voting.- you guys gotta know. and that`s when I mentioned the Moore work. Ya know Ryan? maybe he is a liar, or maybe he says the truth, maybe he is half lying or maybe he is telling the half of the truth but you guys can`t make an statement without watching it for yourselves.

Now tell me, IS THAT BEING OBJECTIVE?.

and you are right, I totally know that the mmmmm news channel networks?? WEll, you know what I mean!!! most be different of the news channel networks INSIDE of the USA. Ya know, I wished I could hear those news too (I can hardly come here and post) so I can build my opinion better. and wish you could hear the networks outside so you could build your opinion better.

Ya know, there`s an statement that says (don`t remember where I read it, I think at school) that the possibilitie of being objective is bigger when you are outside than inside because you can see "the whole thing" and when you are inside you only can see a part of it.... that`s all I`m gonna say ....for now


Yeah Ryan, your politics are easier than mine!!!!LOL, geez, I have tried to understand all the stuff going on here and believe me, I live in a surrealistic country hehehehe where my president I`m strating to think is not a human but a cartoon character hehehe.

[LexingtonPethead]

Historymaker - THAT was outstanding. I don't know if I've ever read such a remarkable post - anywhere. WOW.

Elo, please read Historymaker's post again (and again) until everything he says makes perfect sense. This is the best political advice I've ever heard given to those who live abroad.

[Shell]

That was a good one, Ryan. You need to quit lurking and make more posts like that. Of course, Hunter and Sue might have something to say about you spending too much time on the Internet....

[gman]

let me just say that I don't need to see something to know, based on the actual facts, that it is wrong, anymore than I need to be there and hear it to know that my child told a lie.
I'm a fanatic for Bush because I think it is the right thing to do. We have two radically different choices for president. It sounds like some people want to think that neither Kerry or Bush will do anything to mess with our religious freedoms and morality in this country, and we can just vote based on the economy, security, etc., and that is just not true. Kerry and the liberals, if elected, will continue to go after polices that erode our religious freedoms and morality, and attempt to stamp out Christianity in this country. Bush, on the other hand, wants to do things to strengthen morality in this country and protect our Christian values.
This election is not a case of pick which candidate has the best policies for the economy, healthcare, security, etc., and know that our Christian values will remain untouched. Both sides have their faults and make mistakes, but both sides also want to do something with our Christian faith and values in this country. One wants to move farther away from them, and one wants to make them stronger.

[epdc]

I have a cold right now and I`m not in mood in keep saying my point of view and you guys saying yours (lol).

You wanna convince me that Bush is the right one and I just wanted you to analyze BOTH candidates and make a choice AFTER that. Seems you just wanna pick Bush and don`t wanna hear ANYTHING ANYONE might say so ok, by the way, is it tomorrow when you guys will know who won?.

gman, please don`t compare your kid with Bush

[LexingtonPethead]

Pssst. Elo, the dynamic that you probably have no way of knowing about since you don't actually live here is that Christians in America already know the facts about Bush and Kerry. It's not something we have to research or watch propaganda garbage so we can form our opinions.

We're not trying to "convince" you Bush is the right choice. We're simply trying to inform you of what the issues are and of the news bias that's out there that unknowing people are influenced by.

[epdc]

THAT`S WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.

by the way, what`s psst???


so what you are saying is that you know the positive and negative side of bush and the positive and negative side of kerry??? do you mean that? because if you do, then is fine but if you are telling me that you believe only what Bush says and don`t give credit to other perspectives then .

just don`t say guys that Moore`s work sucks if you haven`t seen it. In fact, you don`t have any kind of authority for saying that because i`m sure you guys have no idea of what`s about.Ya know what? when it comes the Moore topic, DON`T SAY ANYTHING.