see? I`m objective!!!!

[epdc]

I saw a show called "the awful truth" by michael moore and here are my comments i made to him through email(there was some stuff I wasn`t agree), if he answers i`ll let you know:


Mr. Moore:

It is not an attack at all
I wrote you before, I`m eloisa palacios and I`m from M�xico. Last night I watched your show (the awful truth one) and I just wanna say some comments that will be useful for you so you can make an impact in people`s hearts.

I totally support your vision of gay rights. Gay people are people like us who deserve respect and deserve to be treated right. I know that was what you were trying to say on your video but I saw something that I don`t think is right:

You recorded these gay people naked having sex and kissing enfront of everyone. That`s not fair Mr. Moore. What about the families who saw that?, and I`m not saying this because they were gay, just look it at the other side: would you be ok in watching heterosexual couples kissing and having sex in public places???. would you be ok that your children (if you have) to watch that just because they live on a free country?, yeah, we are all free but there`s also respect to other people. Don`t do what you wouldn`t like people do to you.

Sex is something between two people who suppose to love each other, is a time of intimacy and I think it was of very bad taste you recorded that.

I`m also talking about the gay comunity: you made them have a very bad image as sex sick people. And I`m sure they are just like us and that their only thing in mind is not only sex but that they also have dreams, goals. the image you gave will not help the gay community to be accepted.

I`m very sorry that you met that gay hater pastor. I just wanna say that we not all christians are like that. and God doesn`t laugh because a gay dies.He suffers in His heart when a human being dies without knowing Him.

The Bible says God hates homosexuality but not the homosexuals. Just wanted to clarify that. God hates what they do but He loves them and wants the best for them.

I don`t think you had a victory of any kind. You just made them look worse...what I think was good was to show how mean can be people with gay, so people can know all this is happening right now.

maybe the next time you could talk with gay people about what theydo for living, what dreams they have and stuff. That would make people see them as people like us (as something common because no matter what you say Mr. Moore being gay is common but not normal, is again`st nature, but still, they are human, and if people wanna convince them to change if that`s possible the first way is accepting them as people with a heart, a mind and a soul)because the image you gave will make people hate the gays more as sex sick people...

You don`t have to give a huge scandal for making an statement....

Blessings and thank you foryour attention.
Eloisa Palacios



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[Shell]

Persistent little thing aren't you? I'm kind of curious to see if he answers you and what he says if he does.

I agree that homosexuality isn't a bigger sin in God's eyes than anything else, but I find how they scream about wanting rights but don't want to allow the same thing for Christians interesting. Sounds like a double standard to me.

[epdc]

humankind is just a mix of everything, sigh...

[epdc]

I put this post for showing that I recognize Moore isn`t perfect either, since some of you see me as a Moore fan

[dez]

Hey, Elo. I�ve been reading your posts here regarding Bush, the election, Michael Moore, etc. I have to tell you that they really frustrate me, but as you are entitled to your opinion and others were making quite valid responses, I haven�t said anything. But your letter to Michael Moore about homosexuality forces me to respond because there is something that you may not understand about the homosexual movement.

First off, let me tell you that I do know some homosexuals. They know that I do not agree with their lifestyle, but that I do love them. We can hang out and they know I�m not judging them. It pains me because they are living in sin and are rejecting Jesus� love in their life. No one is going to hell because they are a homosexual. Everyone that is in hell is there because they have rejected Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. I have no doubt that we agree on this. However, there is another side of the coin that you must be aware of and that is the homosexual agenda. I am not against homosexuals, but I am against the homosexual agenda.

The homosexual agenda is not seeking �equal rights;� they are seeking �more equal rights.� They aren�t looking for the right to marry; they are looking to redefine the family as any group of people that love each other. They say it is a free country and that everyone is free to do as they please. This is a democracy, not an anarchy. What few people seem to understand is that freedom is not choosing to do whatever we want, it is choosing to do what we ought to do.

It is not a surprise that marriage is under attack. What is God�s oldest institution? Marriage. How does God refer to the church? The Bride and Jesus is our Groom. We aren�t fighting flesh and blood, but the rulers, authorities, powers of this dark world, and the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. This is a war. This is a much more important war than the war on terror. I am not, in any way, downplaying the war on terror because it is still a war and has many casualties, on both sides. But whether you want to look at the war on terror or the spiritual war going on in this country, it is my opinion that Bush is the more capable leader because he does seek the Lord�s guidance. I don�t think he�s perfect and I don�t agree with everything that he does, but I know that he is a godly man and I am thankful that God has allowed him to remain in office. We don�t deserve a godly leader. America deserves to fall because we have turned from God. The church in this country is complacent and self-absorbed. That is the main issue, not who will lead our nation. The church has failed our nation. What will it take to bring the American church back to God, much less our nation?

[Shell]

That was a good one Dez; you need to quit lurking and make more posts like that too young lady.

It's not just a matter of being an alternative lifestyle; "alternative lifestyle" is another way of saying they think they should be able to sin and disobey God and not have to suffer the consequences.

[SamScales]

Wow Dez!!! That was very well put! You're right, the homosexual agenda is something we need to be aware of and I definitly agree that the church has been slumbering. No wonder all this stuff is happening, it's because we don't pray, don't take a stand, and don't teach our kids at home, study at home or make the Word and prayer a priority in our lives.

[epdc]

dez, for God`s sake, please read CAREFULLY what I`m saying, maybe I didn`t explain myself:

I`m not agree with homosexuality, I have gay friends too, I`m not agree with marriage between gay people and stuff. But I`M AGREE that people should treats them as human beings!!!!.

What Moore was saying on his documental was that gay people deserves to be treated as humans (with that he meant not to kill people for being gay or being mean to people because is gay). And I told him that I was agree with that but that he made a lousy image of them (this has nothing to do with my personal believes, I`m not agree with homosexuality), this had to do with proffesional work. His goal was to support gay people but instead of that he only made more people hates them.


My vision is this: before we can preach to this people we gotta accept them as persons, as humans with feelings, and a heart and a sould and a mind. First we gotta put aside this gay-hate, you won`t reach a gay to Jesus if you keep telling him "fag, you are going to hell, God laughs when a gay dies, God hates you because you are gay". NOOOOOO do you know what you will get? rejection, this person won`t listen and if another christian comes to their way they won`t wanna hear.
what you would need to do is to pray for this person and pray for God`s wisdom to talk to this person so this person be open to listen.

I was giving Moore an advice: next time try to make an image of gays as people like us (because, like it or not, they are humans like us) if you want people stop hating them.


the whole point of this post wasn`t "I support gays" NONONONO, because I`m not. My point was that I recognized Moore did a very bad documental and I wasn`t agree with it so you guys could see I`m not a Moore fan after all.

[epdc]

you were frustrated because I don`t think like you?....

[bakersfieldpethead]

I'm also in suport of Bush....I try to keep away from these topics but I just had to say, that there is no way that we would survive with Kerry. This is giving us 4 more years.....and I know God will have his will in the next election too. But let's know that we are winding down on the clock, it's almost time for us to go home.

We as Christians all see it in the world today.

[epdc]

Stephen gave his point of view and I`m not frustrated for it, I`m not agree BUT I`m not taking it it personal either.

[bakersfieldpethead]

I know the next election is going to be ten times worst than these last two, anyone agree?

[Shell]

It'll be a doozy if it was anything like this one.

Elo, I don't think you're listening to Dez either muchacha. She didn't say you had to think the way she does. Follow some of your own advice and read her post again too.

I wonder how many more pages this topic will go on?

[gman]

There is a ton of talk right now about where the democrats went wrong. Many media spurces are now saying that Kerry wasn't clearand he tried to cover up who he really was. They are making the point that the democrat strategy was not based on advancing their own beliefs, but rather trying to cover them up and fool people. Personally, I think they will learn from that and possibly put forth a candaidate who will run on what he or she really believes, as opposed to trying to be a chameleon. I don't think that will work either though. Too many people realized who Kerry was this time around. They were turned off by his association with the Hollywood crowd, and went instead for Bush because they at least knew where he stood. Also, the conservatives of this country knew how dangerous Kerry would be for this country and they turned out in huge numbers to defeat him. Hardcore liberalism and the Hollywood crowd doesn't represent the majority in America and therefore they can't win on advancing their own ideas. And, as we just witnessed, they can't win by trying to fool people either. I think it will be a landslide next time around.
Actually, if you take Rush's idea and look at the electoral map from this election in terms of every county and how the vote went, you will see that most of the country was red. Even many of the blue states were not blue throughout. The majority of counties in those states were red and only the heavy democrat populated areas were blue. You might even call that a landslide.
The media has so much egg on their face from stunts like the CBS phony documents, the ABC october surprise, and the attempt to sway the election with faulty exit polling. I think we will see them push for an election that is a true battle of ideas.

[Enosh]

Good to see you DEZ!!!!

Ok, Enosh is here to chime in. Like Bakes I try not to often but here I am.

I think we can agree on the fact that there is a difference in hating people and hating sin. I too am angered when I see people "Bashing" gay people. By that I mean things like name calling, violence against them, hatred across the board. How would Jesus react to a gay person? The same way Jesus reacted to anyone in sin. He showed love and compassion, but never once condoned the sin.

Second, I agree totally with DEZ here. The "Movement" is just plain wacked! We cannot just sit back for the sake of not wanting to offend anyone with our beliefs and let the core of the family be redefined.

Elo, I say this totally in love. You know I love you right? I also say this not just because I don't agree with you. After my rant I still want to be friends. Ok?

Michael Moore is one of the worst sources anyone could get information from. I live in Flint, MI. His home town. He is a joke at best. He paints this bleek picture, but doesn't tell the whole story. I find him amusing, but not reliable or trust worthy.

Moore says Flint is horrible, butI live here and do well. Flint has gone from being a manufacturing hub to a base of educational jobs and businesses. We have more than five or six colleges in town now. That includes the University of Michigan Flint that is responsible for much rebuilding of the downtown area. Even Moore's supporters have to admit that he doesn't give all the info needed. He harps on something and makes it look the end of the world, when it is not near the issue he would have you believe. The thing is that he gives enough info to be dangerous and makes fun of something. Then people unwittingly hear his rant, and take it at face value instead of looking into it themselves.

there comes a time when we really have to trash all of our personal opinions for the character of God. Even if we don't agree with it. Gays, the war, all of our opinions should match up to God. President Bush is a good man who loves God. Is he perfect? No. He is a man of conviction that has had to make hard choices that were not popular, but he made them. He wasn't the only one who sent us to war in Iraq. Kerry and everyone else in Washington read the same reports Bush did. We went to war because we felt it was the best decision at the time. Nobody likes war, because people die. All those who think you can fight a war and just because it's 2004 and we have better technology now, that no one is gonna die; you're off your rocker! If you look at this war compared to others, the deaths are no where near past wars. Not to say that any death is "OK" but it has to be expected.

The U.S. is in a position that we have to make decisions that the rest of the world might not like. I don't mean to sound rude here, but come on! We get attacked and because some other country isn't comfortable with it, we can't do anything. Ok, what does 9/11 and Iraq have in common you might ask? How about this, many have bashed Bush for not doing something to prevent 9/11. These same people bash Bush for the war in Iraq. Ok, so let me get this straight, it's ok for the president to prevent something like 9/11 only when it's already happened and we can all look back and say, "something should have been done!" But when reports come out that a madman like Saddam might have weapons and we know for a fact that he will use them if he gets the chance, we can't do anything to prevent that and it's an unjustified war? That's crazy!!

War is in the Bible. Many times God instigated war in the Bible. God told Israel to kill everyone on many occaisions sparing no one. That doesn't mean for us to kill a bunch innocents, but it makes the statement that just because we don't like war, doesn't mean that it is not neccessary or supported by God.

I believe Bush is a man of God, yes, I say placed into office for such a time as this! Praise God for a man like Bush who will face down those who kill Americans in the name of a false God. Praise God for a president that is open about his faith and his convictions. I sleep better knowing that Bush is my president. and I'm sorry if the rest of the world doesn't like it, but I live in America, and I face the same things other Americans face, and I am not ashamed to say I love this country. It's obviously not so bad if people are risking death and imprisonment daily to get within our borders! Michael Moore is a bully on the playground. He's all talk. If someone stands up to him and knocks him down he loses credibility. The world is better off with an American President who isn't a wimp on tough issues. America voted and an overwelming majority agreed that Bush was the right man. Don't hate Bush, pray that he continue, "yes continue" to follow God in his next four years.

End, my rant.