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Post by petrafan » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:30 pm

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Maybe we should dig up some dirty stuff about the ignorant people that took time to post negative comments about Stryper here on this forum, and have everyone rip you and your personal life up. Hmmm, sounds like a plan to me. No?? Well then, next time keep your yapper shut until official announcements are made from both parties so all stories can be heard.

I'm sorry. I really don't mean to sound like a jerk. It's just...ignorant "mouthy" "know it all" people bug me..that's all. Forgive me.. 8)
interesting... people that arent on stryper's side on this matter, are the "ignorant" and should keep the yapper shut?

nobody is diggin dirty stuff about stryper (ore are we?), why do that with the "ignorant" people that arent on stryper's side? just cos they voiced their opinion?

for someone that doesnt mean to sound like a jerk, seems like an excellent job on doing exactly the opposite!
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Cool down!

Post by eknock » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:22 pm

Cool Down Guys!
We don't know Stryper's side of this. Crucifying Stryper for something we don't know all of the information about is NOT a good idea. How come we are so anxious to rip on people? Seriously, cool it guys...
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Post by Shell » Sat Dec 18, 2004 2:25 pm

He. I think the point was people are assuming Stryper is in the wrong here, when they don't really know Stryper's side. You can't truly understand what a band has to deal with unless you have a background in the music biz. Or have been to a lot of concerts and happen to have a pretty good understanding of how crazy things can be.. :D :P

Maybe people should ask themselves if they'd want Stryper to post stuff about them. And why they're so sure this sort of thing doesn't happen with "Christian" bands. :D
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Post by eknock » Sat Dec 18, 2004 8:47 pm

Please, lets move on from this now....
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Post by Jonathan » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:36 am

So many hoops for both sides to jump through. Lousy NAFTA.
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Post by johntheumfreak » Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:58 am

epdc wrote:hehehehehe I was surprised too when I knew Mortification was from australia, I always wondered from where they were from. On their tapes doesn`t appear.
Dude what are you talking about? Anyway, in my oppinion Stryper is one of the best bands ever, and ARE Christian.....I mean, dude, just read their lyrics......I don't know them personally, but heck, I've read enough to base an oppinion........my oppinion may be right, may not....I don't know.......don't go judging these dudes, if it wasn't for Stryper, petra would still be doing synth music
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Post by Shell » Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:57 pm

If you'll read Ryan's post again, I don't think he was totally serious. I think what he was trying to say is people shouldn't jump to conclusions when they don't know all the circumstances. :)

He had probably been up late and hadn't had his cup of coffee yet. :wink:
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Re: historymaker

Post by brent » Sun Dec 19, 2004 6:56 pm

johntheumfreak wrote:
epdc wrote:hehehehehe I was surprised too when I knew Mortification was from australia, I always wondered from where they were from. On their tapes doesn`t appear.
Dude what are you talking about? Anyway, in my oppinion Stryper is one of the best bands ever, and ARE Christian.....I mean, dude, just read their lyrics......I don't know them personally, but heck, I've read enough to base an oppinion........my oppinion may be right, may not....I don't know.......don't go judging these dudes, if it wasn't for Stryper, petra would still be doing synth music
Seeing how Petra never did change anything musically until Bob left, I would say that you have no idea what you are talking about. Petra followed secualr music trends, not what stryper was doing. I got news for ya. Stryper came in late on the whole metal thing. They were not innovators. Just the first to look like women in striped outfits, stuff cucumbers don their pants, play metal and throw bibles. Very different.

Nobody said that the guys were not Christian. They THEMSELVES used to say that they didn't want to be called a "Christian band". They did not want to be put into that mold. or be identified with that scene. It would have turned people oof, and locked them out of places that they could get into.

Anyone can write and sing Christian lyrics just as anyone can write and sing non-christian lyrics. Never assume that people are what they say that they are, or what they sing. Never assume sinc someone has blatently "christian" or possitive lyrics that they are singing about the same God that you worship.

"Christian" in name means nothing to me. Show me the fruit! I can give you many examples of once "christian" people in the music industry that are really hot right now, that have shot their testimony (if they ever had one) to hell by smoking (cigs and pot), drinking, cursing, womenizing, practicing homosexuality, etc before and after they do a Christian concert.

I know a hot "christian" female artist that did a B movie in the mexican market, where there was nudity. I know another female artist that goes out with secular rappers and does sexual bump and grind dance moves on her crossover tours. What about other Gaither type artists that have had multiple divorces, been busted for marital affairs, etc, etc.

Test everything in the light of scripture. The messenger is human, but the messenger's life must match the message, or it is of no effect. There is absolutely nothing wrong with "christian" entertainment. I think this is where even Michael Sweet has missed the meaning in his latest statements. They are NOT a ministry, or they would be non-profit, called by God, ordained by the church, and held accountable. They are none of these things. A ministry would do what they are called to do for free in the name of Christ. They have not and will not.

To quote Rick Adams, Louie Weaver's manager: "It's kind of a spooky thing when you are trying to make money off of Jesus."
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Post by Shell » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:07 pm

Go easy on the kid there Brent, he is only 15 after all and probably doesn't have the background in the biz that you do. :wink:
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Post by brent » Sun Dec 19, 2004 7:50 pm

Sorry. Had no idea he was 15.
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Post by SamScales » Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:13 am

Brent,
Thank you for what you said right here.....
Test everything in the light of scripture. The messenger is human, but the messenger's life must match the message, or it is of no effect.
.........and what I'm about to share kinda changes the subject off Stryper, but as I was reading this - being in music ministry myself - this sentence really hits home! If the Lord's gonna use me and His message is to change people's lives, my life is to reflect His life within me. When I sit and fret and worry over things and don't trust God because I'm going through a storm, how can I ever minister to someone else, when I can't even trust God for my needs? The messenger's life must match the message! Thank you for that reminder. I prayed to my heavenly Dad after reading this, asking for forgiveness for not trusting and for fretting - I want to be found worthy of His message. Funny how the Lord had me talk last night at a coffeehouse, giving a message that preached to myself, then I read this.......... then I said: "Lord, you know I do love you", and what I heard back was: "Then feed my sheep"..........

Thanks Brent, this part of your post really convicted me!
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Post by 3nails4life » Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:29 am

They are NOT a ministry, or they would be non-profit, called by God, ordained by the church, and held accountable. They are none of these things. A ministry would do what they are called to do for free in the name of Christ. They have not and will not.

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This is where I sincerely believe that christians really miss the mark.  everytime you go to work, play, or your personally lives someone is watching you.  If you call yourselve a christian you are to live that way.  Everyone has their own ministry.  Paid or unpaid, the cause of Christ was an obligation soon as you accepted him.  I guess that is where church attenders get the comment.."That's what pastors get paid for". 
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Post by 3nails4life » Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:38 am

They are NOT a ministry, or they would be non-profit, called by God, ordained by the church, and held accountable. They are none of these things. A ministry would do what they are called to do for free in the name of Christ. They have not and will not.


This is where I sincerely believe that christians really miss the mark. everytime you go to work, play, or your personally lives someone is watching you. If you call yourselve a christian you are to live that way. Everyone has their own ministry. Paid or unpaid, the cause of Christ was an obligation soon as you accepted him. I guess that is where church attenders get the comment.."That's what pastors get paid for".
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Sad, but understandable...

Post by Tutor23 » Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:40 pm

I have never liked Stryper - neither their music nor their seemingly shallow life-witness. And I can see why some are so upset about the loss of $$ by the Mexican church. But based on what I've read so far, I am not angry at Stryper for this unfortunate set of events.

Bad things happen. Loss occurs. Sometimes because "life happens." Other times because of human choice, sin, error in judgment, incmpetancy. In this case, it appears that the incompetance and errors in judgment occurred in Mexico. Whether or not Stryper should return some of the money is up for debate in my mind. That, however, is between them and God. Surely a significatn portion of the money has been spent/allocated. And what about the fact that, if you buy the premise that the error did occur in Mexico, Stryper lost potential work because of sloppy promoting messing up one of their concerts?

Sounds like they did all they could to make things work out - counseled, made recommendations, issued warnings, gave mutiple "second chances" when the promoters screwed up or dragged their feet. Jesus said, "A wise man counts the cost before building a tower. Otherwise, he will be mocked as a fool when everyone sees that he failed to properly plan and ended up going bankrupt, having to abandon the project before its completion." It sounds like Mexico didn't count the cost and got in over their heads. It is unfortunate that sometimes innocent people are hurt because of the foolishness and incompetence of their leaders and others, but this doesn't sound like Stryper's fault if you ask me.
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Post by brent » Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:32 pm

At www.stryper.com it seems that they are saying that the boys in Mexico had no insurance. Good point. If they had, this would be moot.
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