most under rated album

[executioner]

I started playing with bands in the 80's but the 90's to me were the best and most artistic time, since nobody had to wear spandex nor hairspray, so please do not bash the 90's. Paul McCartney is becoming senile, he just got into the liberal agenda talking points when he made the rude comments directed towards president Bush at his Glorify-Me party with The Obamas, so I used to be a Macca fan, but he's gone the wrong way now.

First off I can bash the 90's if I choose. Second off just because McCartney is a liberal doesn't mean I should disagree with his musical taste or style. Third there are a lot of artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's & 00's that agree with this sediment. The Eagles once said that 90's were one of the main reasons they came out of retirement.
The 90's just plain sucked!!

[Jonathan]

And it is sediment.

[separateunion]

Nothing that came from the 90's interest me @ all. This generation(fireflight, Flyleaf, Skillet, Day of Fire, etc) has put the 90's to rest.

Yeah...no.

Skillet has roots in grunge. They wouldn't exist if grunge hadn't existed. Also, they've put out two good albums and one pretty okay album. The rest have been garbage.

Flyleaf also takes its roots from grunge. Early on, they were playing Nirvana covers. I like the band, but they aren't anything ground breaking.

Fireflight is pretty awful and I haven't heard Day of Fire. Regardless, none of these bands are nearly as talented or as interesting as much of what came out of the 90s.

[separateunion]

First off I can bash the 90's if I choose.

And by doing so, you show your ignorance.

Third there are a lot of artists from the 60's, 70's, 80's & 00's that agree with this sediment. The Eagles once said that 90's were one of the main reasons they came out of retirement.

The general consensus is that the 90s was the best musical area after the 70s. The 80s and 00s have been considered to be a musical wasteland, although some will concede that the brit-pop movement at the end of the 80s gave that decade something interesting.

The 90's just plain sucked!!

Yeah did it suck. Bands like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Poor Old Lu, Foo Fighters, PFR, Dave Matthews Band, Garbage, Green Day, Oasis, Live, Collective Soul, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Our Lady Peace, Sunny Day Real Estate, etc. were all pretty awful. Or, they were more creative than just about anything that came out of the 80s.

Think about this. When you see music being covered live, how often is it 80s music? It's almost always 60s/70s or 90s/00s. It is almost never 80s music.

[pmal]

There is plenty of 80's music being played nowadays, maybe not live but it is definitely out there. From commercials to tons of radio, 80's music is at an all-time high, since, well the 80's. 80's music is all over commercials. I heard somewhere that Journey's latest tour was more successful than in their heyday. I don't know if I believe that or not but I heard it so it must be at least close if not better. Nobody plays 90's music on commercials, radio, or anything unless you go to a concert. When you turn on the local station here, it's new music and then mostly older hits from Ozzy, Alice Cooper, Def Leopard, Rolling Stones, Whitesnake, Molly Hatchet, Journey, Kansas, Boston, Led Zepellin, and other classic rock. Every now and then, Nirvana hits or something else plays like Green Day. But, for the most part, it is the greatest hits from 60-70-80s. It takes talent and/or good production to do the 80's stuff which is probably the reason you don't see it done live so much. How many bands even use keyboards anymore, much less a synthesizer? Only certain songs would work well when emulated with a guitar. I think Bob did just about as good a job as possible with a guitar emulating keys when he did "Let Everything that Has Breath" and "This Means War" but still it wasn't the same.

PS. Speaking of which, does anyone have or know where a good live version of "Let Everything that Has Breath" from the J&H tour that Bob did? I heard it on the "Nite of Joy" stuff but it was low quality. The guitar work on that sounded awesome, even for as LQ as it was in the recording.

[executioner]

Sep,

The 90's bands you listed there are just some somewhat quality garage bands that the industry took bc there was nothing else out there. The songs of the 60-80 and even current day are songs that is everywhere from commericals, stadiums, to 100's maybe even 1000's of cover bands.
There is a friend of mine that works for the Company here in Dallas that supplies the music for PA's systems for about 80% of the stadiums, arenas, and ballparks around the world and actually take online polls, send out mail flyiers, hand out flyiers @ arenas and the 90's bands are rarely requested. He says the consumer doesn't want to here them.

[pmal]

This has gotten too serious. I like the 90's stuff too but I still don't like GF or DT.

I thought this was hilarious when I first heard it. It's a little gross but funny and maybe it will take the steam off of how this conversation is turning.

To paraphrase Tim Wilson, the comedian and musician, addressing a 22 year old:

Rock n Roll is kind of like being at your aunt's house for dinner and a bunch of old ladies are in the kitchen cooking.
Someone says, "What's that cooking in the kitchen?"
"Well, that's Rock n Roll, like Little Richard or Chuck Berry." (plays quick excerpt of Johhny B. Goode, a Chuck Berry Song).
Then they pull out the Elvis steak. You cut the Elvis steak and you eat it.
Then you take some Buddy Holley or Roy Orbison and have yourself some doo-wop salad.
Then you get the Beatles cake, you cut the Beatles cake and eat it.
Then they bring out the coffee. If it's got cream in it, it's Motown. If it's black coffee, its Stax Records.
Then you go to the couch, loosen your belt, sit there and it's like the Eagles (plays excerpt of "Peaceful, Easy Feeling and "Best of My Love").
Or, you hear a bunch of kids rumbling/fighting outside and that's Lynyrd Skynard. (plays "Sweet Home Alabama").
You get up off the couch too fast and you get a strong intestinal feeling, that's the 80's.
Then, you have to take that long, butt tight, grinding walk to the bathroom, that's the 90's.
When you get into the bathroom, you sit down and you take an Eminem. Maybe some Kid Rock to help you out some more.
Throw all of that into the toilet and flush it. Now, as its swirling and you look down in there, that's the crap you are listening to.
(laughter ensues)

That's Rock n Roll in a minute and a half.

[CatNamedManny]

Bands like Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Smashing Pumpkins, Poor Old Lu, Foo Fighters, PFR, Dave Matthews Band, Garbage, Green Day, Oasis, Live, Collective Soul, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Our Lady Peace, Sunny Day Real Estate, etc.

Exactly! Oh wait, this was a list of bands you *liked* from the 1990s? My bad. With a few exceptions, that's my list of why I hated the 1990s.

Just goes to show, stating definitively that one decade is better than another (I'm guilty of this, too) is usually folly. Saying someone's preferences for one musical era over another are the result of "ignorance" is, well, ignorant. There's no accounting for musical taste.

[Jonathan]

Oh, commercial advertisements and sports stadiums? 30-second clips meant to provoke consumption and inspire mindless aggression are great indicators of quality, innovative and nuanced music.

[executioner]

Oh, commercial advertisements and sports stadiums? 30-second clips meant to provoke consumption and inspire mindless aggression are great indicators of quality, innovative and nuanced music.

on the contrary my friend; this is a huge $45mil yearly business. These stadiums and arenas are contracted with this company to find suitable intermission entertainment and also timeouts and downplay during commercial breaks. They will only play songs that have a huge following an are requested. Unlike the 90's there is a huge market for the 70's, 80's and 00's.

[Jonathan]

on the contrary my friend; this is a huge $45mil yearly business. These stadiums and arenas are contracted with this company to find suitable intermission entertainment and also timeouts and downplay during commercial breaks. They will only play songs that have a huge following an are requested. Unlike the 90's there is a huge market for the 70's, 80's and 00's.

There's no "on the contrary" to the point you're making, because its completely different. You're right. It is about business. To be commercially viable, my guess is that music has to be bland enough and broad enough to satisfy the largest demographic possible, regardless of decade, genre, whatever. Or paid for. Of course music choice for huge events is approved by marketing departments and goes through focus groups and boardrooms. It can't be organic. Those are just my perceptions, as I'm an outsider to the business, but not to the creative process.

I don't know, maybe "Rock You Like a Hurricane" or "Rock n Roll Part Two" may be open to deeper interpretation, the problem may just be that I haven't pondered their meanings enough. Smash Mouth's "All Star" is chock full of subtext, if I would just dig into it.

[separateunion]

The 90's bands you listed there are just some somewhat quality garage bands that the industry took bc there was nothing else out there.

You are high. Two of the bands I listed were part of the grunge movement. You've probably never even listened to most of the rest of them. Smashing Pumpkins a glorified garage band? Yeah, the fact that Billy Corgan would overdub 60 guitars for one single song is definitely evidence of being a garage band. Soundgarden's frontman Chris Cornell is probably the greatest rock vocalist of all time, but they're just a garage band. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

The fact that you think Skillet and Fireflight are examples of great bands is all I need to know that you don't know what good music is.

There is a friend of mine that works for the Company here in Dallas that supplies the music for PA's systems for about 80% of the stadiums, arenas, and ballparks around the world and actually take online polls, send out mail flyiers, hand out flyiers @ arenas and the 90's bands are rarely requested. He says the consumer doesn't want to here them.

Oh yeah, all those times I hear Smash Mouth, Blink 182, Weezer, Nirvana, Foo Fighters, etc. during a sporting event, I'm definitely thinking 80s music. I can think of some 80s music that's been played, but I've been to a lot of sporting events, and 90s/00s music is in far heavier rotation.

Regardless, "what the consumer wants to hear" is a bad argument for good music. Otherwise, we'd be saying that Nickelback is one of the greatest bands of all time. And wouldn't we then have to say that Petra was a pretty awful band for their last 10 years since no one wanted to listen to them, and musical greatness is defined by how much the consumer wants to listen to them?

[cvs2kids]

I had to look at the post title to remember what the subject at hand was.

And to prove I have no musical taste, I like Nickleback's style, a real rockin' experience.

That said, their PG14 lyrics have turned me off of them as of late.

[CatNamedManny]

Regardless, "what the consumer wants to hear" is a bad argument for good music. Otherwise, we'd be saying that Nickelback is one of the greatest bands of all time. And wouldn't we then have to say that Petra was a pretty awful band for their last 10 years since no one wanted to listen to them, and musical greatness is defined by how much the consumer wants to listen to them?

Wasn't this conversation originally about how Petra and other quality 1980s bands couldn't adapt to what had become popular in rock music in the 1990s? My point was, and continues to be, that rock music in the 1990s -- with the unspoken qualifier that I'm talking about what was on the radio, which determines by and large what is popular, which last I checked is the No. 1 determinant in whether a band sells records, which seems to be a pretty good determinant of what is popular -- pretty much sucked, especially if you like the kind of rock/hard music that was popular in the 1980s, i.e. Petra. If Dave Matthews Band and Mighty Mighty Bosstones get you as revved up as Petra and, say, Whiteheart, more power to you. But I think you would be in the minority among fans of any of those four bands.

Meanwhile, your elitist attitude about who has better taste in music is irritating and frankly inappropriate. Your taste is no better than anyone else's on this board. You just think it is ... because it's your taste. Likewise, I think my taste in music is awesome, the fact that 95 percent of the world finds it annoying notwithstanding.

[separateunion]

If Dave Matthews Band and Mighty Mighty Bosstones get you as revved up as Petra and, say, Whiteheart, more power to you.

If getting "revved up" is the qualifier you use for good music, then you don't understand music at all.

Meanwhile, your elitist attitude about who has better taste in music is irritating and frankly inappropriate. Your taste is no better than anyone else's on this board. You just think it is ... because it's your taste. Likewise, I think my taste in music is awesome, the fact that 95 percent of the world finds it annoying notwithstanding.

Pot meet kettle...

I was not the one who started with the elitist attitude. And I am simply saying what is generally agreed upon. The music ladder is generally considered to be:

60s/70s
90s





80s