CatNamedManny wrote:brent wrote:
Less than 50 percent of the US citizens pay taxes.
Untrue. 47 percent of U.S. households did not owe
federal income taxes; however, all people purchasing goods in the United States pay state sales taxes, never mind local sales taxes and state and local income taxes and other federal taxes (such as payroll tax). The percentage of U.S. citizens who pay any kind of federal taxes is
90 percent. [Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/busin ... hardt.html]
Over 50 percent are on US government and/or state assistance programs
.
Not quite. In the third quarter of 2008, the peak of the financial crisis, 45 percent of U.S. households had at least one member receiving government benefits. That means the actual overall percentage of American citizens is a good deal lower. [Source:
http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p70-119.pdf]
Our economy is failing. Our health care system is taxed. We just can't take any more people, especially if they have no regard for the laws of our land.
Even accepting the first two statements (I would actually reverse the verbs: our economy is taxed; our health-care system is failing), it's quite the non sequitur to argue, "We just can't take any more people." Won't those people pay taxes that will provide more revenue for the government? Won't they buy things, injecting more money into the economy? "Especially if they have no regard for the laws of our land." This is true on its face; they're breaking a law by not entering legally; but, again, data show illegal immigrants do not commit crimes at rates any higher than would be expected for a group of people of their class and income levels born and bed in the U.S. [Source:
http://boston.com/community/blogs/crime ... ver_i.html]
This is not an anti-Mexican policy. You are blowing this out of proportion. There are about 12 million of you people over here illegally.
First, it was down to 11 million in 2008, down from 12.5 million in 2007, so I wouldn't be surprised if we're down below 10 million now. Less than 6 million are from Mexico. No one really talks about the other 5 million though. Roughly 1 million are from Asia. Yet I don't hear a lot about keeping all those Asians... [source:
http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/61.pdf]
There is a large population committing crimes. We have drugs coming in from Mexico. We have baby trafficing from Mexico. We have convicted felons, guilty of killing people while driving vehicles while drunk, when they had no license to drive or authority to be in this country to begin with.
Anecdotes are fun, but they're no substitute for facts, and the facts show that while, yes, illegal immigrants commit crimes, so do legal immigrants, and so do U.S. citizens, and if you take an illegal immigrant, a legal immigrant and a U.S. citizen, all from the same income level and socioeconomic background, there is no difference between each one's likelihood to commit a crime. [see above]
Instead of blaming us for wanting to protect our legal citizens from your corrupted, law-breaking, illegal aliens, then fix YOUR country.
Repeating the same incorrect stereotypes does not make them any less incorrect. No one doubts Mexico needs to be fixed. But you know what's fueling the drug-and-guns crisis in Mexico? American guns and American appetite for illegal drugs. The Mexican drug trade is decimated the minute we legalize marijuana in the States. It's not just a Mexican problem.
Our Constitution binds our government to protect us, and the government is not willing to do it. So the states are going to have their fill, and voters are going to oust this nut job Obama and his whacko regime...I HOPE.
Well, as long as we're rational about it. The Obama administration has increased deportations by 10 percent over the Bush administration. Illegal border crossings are one-third the levels they were a decade ago, and it's estimated two-thirds of all attempted crossers are detained at the border. The idea that the border is this lawless outpost, with violence and beheadings and zero enforcement is patently, blatantly, laughably false. [Source:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =126887021]
Look, what if Russia started to invade your country with a few million people a year, until it took food out of your mouth, teachers away from your students, and then your country decided to make you speak Russian as a secondary language? What if your doctors were tied up helping the Russians in your hospitals, while you, a natural citizen, had to wait. Imagine you having to give up more of what YOU earn, to pay for someone else to live in a prison, for a murder that could of been avoided had that Russian stayed in Russia.
Ooooh, the Russians! So much scarier than the Mexicans! Look, it's not "a few million people a year." It's more like 250,000. And why do they do it? Not to sell drugs or rape women or kill babies. Because their average wage increases from $2.30 to $8.50 per hour once they cross the Rio Grande. The question of their effect on American workers is much more complicated than either side would try to make it out to be. Yes, the wages of low-income American workers are reduced by immigrants, both legal and illegal, willing to work for dirt cheap. On the other hand, the increased productivity and profits those immigrants provide lead to lower costs for the goods and services they produce, therefore increasing the spending power of all residents who live in high-immigration areas. As for using American social services, these immigrants also pay taxes -- sales taxes, gas taxes, payroll taxes, etc. -- the benefits of which they will not receive to the degree U.S. citizens do. Studies indicate this offsets the benefits they receive, and the overall net cost to their U.S.-born neighbors is zero. [Source:
http://www.cfr.org/content/publications ... nCSR26.pdf]
If I were you, I would be investigating the EU, the NWO and other organizations that view your country as a drain on the global community. They want to get rid of your country, and consolidate it. There are dark powers at play to take your country down, and it is not the USA. If anyone has given you guys the "get out of jail free card", it is the USA.
Yes, of all the countries in the world causing problems, including its own member countries of Greece, Spain, Portugal and Iceland, the EU is worried about taking down Mexico. That makes soooo much sense. How would they take it down? Coup? Assassination? Nuclear holocaust? Drive it into bankruptcy, foreclose and sell the land to Warren Buffet? Sorry, I'm a little slow to buy the "dark powers" argument.
You are listening to the mainstream press, which is all BULLCRAP. They say what the government wants them to say.
This is the point at which I realized once and for all that I just wasted my time reading everything before and after that. As a former member of the mainstream press, let me tell you: There is no vast conspiracy, no taking marching orders from the government, no big cabal out to lead the big Obamarevolution to take away all the rights and freedoms of the hard-working Americans. ... But then I
would say that, wouldn't I? Mwahahaha.
We have had border patrols, hired, trained and then put in prison for doing their job. If you think there is a major resistance, think again. We must be the only country that prosecutes it's one employees for doing their own job, protecting the citizens
I'm pretty sure their job description didn't involve shooting unarmed people who are running away from them and then covering it up, which is what those agents were convicted of doing, by a jury of their peers, in a court of law. [Source:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,244193,00.html]
If you cannot afford to come to the US, pay your way, get a job, assume our identity and our culture, forsaking your own, then the USA does not want you.
The United States has never required that legal immigrants forsake their own culture. Assimilation is not a requirement for citizenship, nor should it be. The federal government should have no role in telling its citizens what language to speak, what religious customs to observe (with certain exceptions), how to dress (with certain exceptions) or what culture to maintain in their home.
That is where the majority of us are at right now.
Gosh, I hope not.
We do not want to be a Muslim nation.
Good. Because we're not, and we won't be. Just like we're not, have never been and shouldn't ever be a Christian nation. We are a nation that has no official religion and provides the freedom for people of all faiths to practice that faith when, where and how they see fit, providing the exercise of that faith does not infringe on the rights of others to practice
their faith.
We do not want to be anything else. We are about full. We are running out of land, roads, food, fuel, money, etc. It is time to lock the doors and tell other nations to get off of their asses and do for themselves for a while. Sometimes teaching people to fish is better than continuing to catch the fish for them while they do nothing. Tough love baby!
None of this is remotely true, nor wise, nor particularly useful to the discussion.
BTW, The law stated that the Mexicans would be expelled only if they were found guilty of being here illegally. Legal aliens stay.
Unless they left their papers at home. Or unless they're U.S. citizens out for a stroll without their wallet, and whoops! They're a little too "shady looking" for the police officer's taste, and now they're in a holding cell waiting for someone to bring their driver's license, which as we all know can be forged, to the station.
Why are YOU AGAINST FOLLOWING THE LAWS?
Interesting that many police chiefs in Arizona were also opposed to this law. Were they also "AGAINST FOLLOWING THE LAWS?!" Or were they merely concerned that a law like this would destroy the trust between Hispanics and the police, which is key to arresting actually dangerous people, and noticing that the one county that makes it a point to focus heavily on illegal immigration has actually seen a sharp
increase in violent crime as resources are diverted from preventing it? [Source:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64P58T20100526]
If these law breakers don't want to do it our way, it's too bad for them. Living here is not a RIGHT. It is something we earn and contribute to...under the law.
All this is true, as far as it goes. Someone who enters the country illegally takes the risk that he or she will be discovered and potentially deported. They obviously don't have a right to be here, but they're still willing to try because of the desperation they feel across the border. We can type in all caps and rant and rave about law and order all we want; that will help exactly zero people, will go exactly none of the way toward solving the problem, and will do a whole heck of a lot to turn people off to the faith we're supposed to be offering to them, regardless of their nation of origin or the legal status of their residency.
, as I said there should be a system these people can follow to get legal. Some of you say illegal pay taxes others say no they dont, but at the end is this: if they can get legal, they will pay helathcare and taxes and they wont be "burden" as you say.
