My America

LexingtonPethead · Post by **LexingtonPethead** » Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:41 pm

It is true that America is not perfect. We have too many bleeding heart liberals over here demoralizing our nation - and too many of us conservatives have been sitting back, allowing these socialist lunies to gain public offices and be in legislative and judicial positions. This has resulted in a more secular, more permissive society with no absolute rights and wrongs. They propagate the same kinds of ideas that are prevailant in Canada and Russia, for example.

Thank God for George W. Bush and the Godly example he sets forth. There is a revival of morality taking place in the red states, and this seems to be spreading throughout our great land. It's proof that evangelicals can no longer sit on their hands and do nothing on election day. If America is to regain its moral stature, we need to see to it that conservative evangelicals continue to be elected and appointed and liberal socialist secularists are kept from power.

RJ and Olga, you guys must be very envious of our blessed nation, especially RJ. You show your true colors every time you submit these kinds of posts. They're not red white and blue - your color is most definitely green.

And for the record, I have no doubt whatsoever that George W Bush is President because God has placed him there. He is there for a reason, and God is using this moral man.

brent · Post by **brent** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:23 am

God ordained the civil authorital role for Israel, because they wanted a human king like the other pagan cultures. So, God (for mulitple reasons) allowed for that. So, I deduce that if God wanted his chosen people to be governed by man and a system originally, he would have made it so from the start, and not objected to their request for a human king.

Just as God knew how the events that would lead to Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection, he knows the events before hand of how he will gather his own, return, defeat Satan and his world in battle, and then infinity. The bible only says that God ordained the governments as in function, not political parties, specific people. Jesus stood before the officer of the government. It would not have mattered who it was, it was the officer/government that killed Christ at the people's request.

Bush is still an issue that is unsettling me.

Hitler however is another story. Hitler was raised a Catholic. If you study true history about him and how he came to power, it was by sin and the lusts of the flesh. So I find it hard to swallow that God would make a person sin to acheive power and carry out some desired result. I find it hard to believe that God wanted that desired result of thousands of murdered people that Jesus Christ died one the cross for. If Hitler had not come to power, and God desired for those people to die, then they would have some other way I am sure. Was that a judgement on those people? Was the tsumnami on those? I don't know.

This is hard to get my brain around. Sometimes I think I have it, other times I trip. But God allows for the obedience and the disobedience of people. We are not puppets. Notice that the bible says that a man that loves and serves God has ordered steps. Not lost sinners. God works everything together for HIS good.

winterlens · Post by **winterlens** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:50 pm

In Daniel we read that God sets up over the nations whomsoever he will--even the basest of men (4:17,32). This includes Bush, Clinton, and Hitler--I don't think the passage really leaves room for exceptions to make us feel better about history. (An unfortunate side-effect of the "God is a Republican" phenomenon is that we're too often unwilling to realize that God's man is always in the White House. Sometimes he accomplishes this by voting, and other times by the Supreme Court.)

Regardless, I'd still rather trust a God who is in control of genocide than one who can't defeat man. Atrocities happen either way; we have confidence that he does what is good because of the cross, not because we can judge him for evil.

LexingtonPethead · Post by **LexingtonPethead** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:18 pm

I agree that God is a Republican!

GOP = God's Own Party

brent · Post by **brent** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:26 pm

I have been studying on this today. After studying how God allowed the children of Israel to sit under evil rulers, I have allowed my brain to wrap around it again, and get it for now.

In Daniel and other books of prophecy, kings and kingdoms can be interpreted to mean a country, and not a specific form of government. That was one reason I haven't run with Chapters 2-5 in Daniel as a basis for my belief in man's free will.

charl · Post by **charl** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 5:53 am

Your best rock band is Trooper anyway.

Dude, our best rock band is sooo Big Sugar. Or early Hip.

separateunion · Post by **separateunion** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:25 pm

charl wrote:
Your best rock band is Trooper anyway.
Dude, our best rock band is sooo Big Sugar. Or early Hip.

What about Our Lady Peace?

LexingtonPethead · Post by **LexingtonPethead** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:39 pm

brent wrote:Bush is still an issue that is unsettling me.

What exactly do you mean by that?

charl · Post by **charl** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:26 am

separateunion wrote:
charl wrote:
Your best rock band is Trooper anyway.
Dude, our best rock band is sooo Big Sugar. Or early Hip.
What about Our Lady Peace?

Meh.

Big Sugar is still better. Especially Hemi-Vision.

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