Stryper Interview

[Dan]

Saw this video, now I am a Stryper fan, respect.

[rexreed]

This is one of the funniest videos I've seen in a while. For starters Michael Sweet looks like Clark Kent. When they grip throws the New Testament into the crowd it's a total blue hair festival. The pastor ripping up on Stryper is funny too and he reminds me of an older Duncan Phillips.Interesting discussion. Thank you for posting this.

[brent]

Here is one when they were on Rick Ds show in LA. Notice the odd momment when Oz Fox makes the "crack" about doing coke. The band gets this deer in the headlights look while Oz is wiping is nose. That's because they were doing coke, drinking and hitting the bunnies shop across the street from the recording studio. People in the industry knew that Stryper was a joke. Against The Law says it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKRnjcTJ ... re=related

[zak89]

Not sure what to make of Stryper - I want to like them but I think they went a bit too far with "being all things to all men". But more to the point of the interview, I don't think Mr. Nile made a convincing argument at all - in fact did he even make an "argument"? It was more like "Well, I mean I'm sure they have good intentions but it's really bad - and some kids agree with me". I've heard MUCH more convincing arguments against CCM/Christian Rock - obviously I don't buy them (and I'm not saying they're "good" arguments), but I know there are more convincing ways to argue this position. He made a fleeting reference to "The Beat" without ever making a case for it being a bad thing. Then again, many of my friends who share the above viewpoint seem the think that the existence of ""The Beat" is all the evidence one needs to condemn heavy music.

As someone who was homeschooled, I found Sweet's comment ("might as well take [your kids] out of the public school" ) to be a bit, well, humorous... [bites toungue]

[Shell]

They, like many others in their situation, may very well have started out with a sincere desire to serve God...And somewhere along the line they lost sight of that big time. Unfortunately it's an easy trap to get caught in for anyone who has to deal with the public. It did catch up with them. You can't avoid the consequences of that type of thing indefinitely.

[gman]

I've heard MUCH more convincing arguments against CCM/Christian Rock - obviously I don't buy them (and I'm not saying they're "good" arguments), but I know there are more convincing ways to argue this position.

I don't know that I've heard any argument. I've seen lots of character assassination for sure. There are a whole lot of slimebag preachers out there, but that doesn't negate the gospel.

[zak89]

Well, some opponents of CCM can at least last a few rounds of debate - generally some (dubious) historical background to heavy music, something about loud beats stunting the growth of tomatoes or negatively affecting reproduction in mice, "copying the world" (don't get me started on that one!), etc.

And then a lot of character assassination - although it'd be nice of more Christian artists would give them less to aim at. One of my favorite things about Petra is that (to my knowledge) the majority of key members are still married to their first wife (GXV being a sad exception)!

[brent]

I grew up in an independent fundamental baptist denomination that frowned upon most genres. When I was a kid, we had city and state-wide "youth rallies". I attended one in Texas. Some nut came in, screamin and slingin snot, encouraging everyone to break all of their records and burn them. Here is what I heard:

1. The beat is evil. Last time I checked, all music has a beat. All music must have a beat or else if has no order. God is not the author of confusion. I think they were more upset with the kick drum and the bass. This is a personal preference. This leads to number 2.
2. The lyrics are hard to understand and that is evil. They were mad about the mix? Bad mixes are evil?
3. KISS stands for Kings In Satan's Service. Wrong. Gene is a Jew and believes in God and Satan.
4. AC/DC means homosexuality. (BUUUUUUUULL ) Idiots should have read the liner notes they were burning.
5. They always got their labels wrong. They called hard rock and metal "acid" rock. Whatever. Morons.
6. Subliminal messages will influence you. Oops. Can the devil take control of the Christian with a demonic spirit from the music? I think not. Don't get me started on the impossible forward listening to backward music, memorizing it and then playing it back in your head. These dumbmorons would then play bad recorded messages for the kids on piece of crap PA systems, and have to tell us what we were hearing. If I must be told how I am being influenced, am I really? I never knew about this crap until they told me about it. I didn't know bunnies existed until they showed me that too. I did my thesis on subliminal messages, backward masking, etc. I proved to my youth department that it was all crap. That didn't go over well. The church does not like educated people testing the authority of the men who make the rules.
7. Most of these dips got the lyrics incorrect, read too much evil into the songs, the titles, the band names, etc.
8. Rock and Roll got it's name from a DJ seeing the kid's "necking" and having relations. The kids got the cars rockin, and a rollin, and so that is how it got it's name. OK, partially correct. But, the last time I checked (and tried it) RAWK music was not conducive to the deed. Maybe some crooning would be. Maybe some jazz. Maybe some soul. Never rock, hard rock, metal, etc. Come on. The kids were rockin because they were getting bored to death with Pat Boone, Fabian, etc. The new music hit a chord with the kids, got them excited, they danced, banged the steering wheels, rocked the cars, etc.

[brent]

Now, I DO believe that there is improper and incorrect music. I do not believe that any music should have the gospel or come Christian lingo slapped on it to be considered "Christian". There are limits to what is usable, just as there are limits to what may be said by a minister (generic, meaning all of us), tone of voice, emotion, time, season, etc. The method must match the message. The people must match the message.

[Boray]

3. KISS stands for Kings In Satan's Service. Wrong.

Yes, that's wrong. It's "Knights In Satan's Service"!

[brent]

Maybe this is a new thread, but we should list the artists, songs and supposed messages as interpreted by these morons.

Styx, Snowblind....Oh Satan moves in our voices
Queen, Another One Bites The Dust...Try LSD

[rexreed]

Somewhere around my house is a copy of "The Rock Report" which had similar explanations of all music that is Satan. From Michael W. Smith to Journey they could find the way to hell.

[brent]

I have yet to have one of those pin heads show me the scripture detailing how Satan created music or that he created "the beat". They have misinterpreted some in Revelation that detail Satan's appearance. His appearance included jewels. I forget their symbolism now. The old pastors say that Satan has pipes, thus when he speaks or moves, he sounds like an accordion or an organ. If he DID sound like an accordion, I would laugh my butt off. How would he be able to intimidate or sneak up on people? FUNNY. They misinterpret the pipes as the musical pipes, when those pipes were the jewel settings. From all of this misinterpretation, they equate that Satan was the choir director of heaven. That is nowhere in scripture either.

[rexreed]

I agree Brent but when I was but a mere teenager I believed a lot of what was printed, without considering who was doing the printing.

[Dan]

Here is one when they were on Rick Ds show in LA. Notice the odd momment when Oz Fox makes the "crack" about doing coke. The band gets this deer in the headlights look while Oz is wiping is nose. That's because they were doing coke, drinking and hitting the bunnies shop across the street from the recording studio. People in the industry knew that Stryper was a joke. Against The Law says it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKRnjcTJ ... re=related

Ohh... that's sad. you mean coca cola right?