Classic Petra signs with H2O?

[Shell]

Wayne lol, he is a character.

That brings back some memories of the firestorms over management a few years ago...

I haven't met him personally, but I know the personality type, and they do not care what other people think; they don't really care about anything other than their agenda (whatever that might be). I do understand it's not good to be so worried about what others think that you're not accomplishing anything, but there is a balancing point between doing your job and treating others with consideration and kindness. That can be sort of tricky to find, and maybe some people simply aren't capable of it.

Things do have a way of catching up with you, you do reap what you sow. The Bible tells us to treat others the way we would want to be treated for a reason.

Whatever the case, it's not an uncommon problem for people to have issues with management of their favorite bands either.

Things can change pretty quickly as far as contracts and all, and anyone can put anything on the Internet and blogs can be interpreted differently by different people. Maybe this is something where we should just say "let's wait and see what happens".

[Preacherman777]

Classic Petra includes members of Petra that were present for all levels and seasons of Petra's success and most importantly Bob is there and so once again, I have no problem with this and do not believe it to be disingenuous. Once again, I can guarantee if John were there instead of Greg, no one would be making this complaint, even if they were including pre John success. The only reason anybody cares about Classic Petra is because it's Petra. The name change was made for business reasons, not because it's a different band.

Besides, how many people here have said that they hope at some point John will be included in Classic Petra. Quite a few as I recall.

[superfly]

One could argue that any Petra tour post Wake-Up Call could be deemed as being misleading as well (save for J&H). I don't think it was, but it could be argued based on what's been said in this thread. Not only is name "Classic Petra" used for business purposes, but it also distinguishes it as a bonafide Petra line-up, where as many would consider anything after Wake-up Call not a bonafide Petra line-up, again save for J&H. The problem with J&H is that by the time Bob came back on board, many people didn't care anymore. If last year it was the "dream team" back together instead of what we have now, and they called it Classic Petra, that would work the same way and I'd agree with the use of the term. It lets people know that it's a line-up of the band that they remember from the hey-day. Anyway, that's all I got...kinda fried at the moment so forgive me if I've rambled

[executioner]

I don't think anyone is questioning the name Classic Petra; their questioning Classic Petra saying they won all these awards and other note worthy items when in reality nothing was won until 1989 and later. I think because of the name being different and it being in a different time frame a lot of us see the two Petra's as 2 separate bands.

[Shell]

Folks, really, is the name of a band in the big scheme of things all THAT big a deal? Seems to me there are more important things to worry about. When it gets right down to it, what they decide to call themselves and whatever else may go along with that is their decision.

And for those who seem to have a problem with what they consider pro-John/against Classic Petra posts...There is always the option of simply not responding to them.

[Dan]

I think the promotional material is insanely misleading. The Grammy's etc were won under a completely different band and sound ( I think most people know this). Bob, Louie and Lawry yes.. but when you see photos on GXV with Grammy's awards behind him it is just wrong in so many ways. I guess if your willing to go with that, it puts the tales of Reo Speedwagon, and Janice Joplin in a context.

[Dan]

Folks, really, is the name of a band in the big scheme of things all THAT big a deal? Seems to me there are more important things to worry about. When it gets right down to it, what they decide to call themselves and whatever else may go along with that is their decision.

And for those who seem to have a problem with what they consider pro-John/against Classic Petra posts...There is always the option of simply not responding to them.

I think when John joined Petra the name should have changed, I still think success would have been at the same levels.

[Shell]

I think when John joined Petra the name should have changed, I still think success would have been at the same levels.

But then you could argue that it was Petra before John joined and they shouldn't change the name just because of him...

[brent]

They should have called themselves "Louie and Band"

[Dan]

I think when John joined Petra the name should have changed, I still think success would have been at the same levels.

But then you could argue that it was Petra before John joined and they shouldn't change the name just because of him...

True Shell .. but they both really have sound different..

Classic Petra has a great sound, but it simply sounds nothing like the period that won all the awards..
Would be like '74 lineup claiming they have Grammy awards.. they were part of it at a stage.. but come on

I am saying this with a happy laughter tone...

[Dan]

They should have called themselves "Louie and Band"

lol Brent...

[CatNamedManny]

The difference is in the marketing surrounding Classic Petra and the timeframe.

If Bob had gotten together the exact same band, said, "This is Petra now," and continued on as if 2006-09 hadn't happened, then I could see listing all of Petra's accomplishments. But that's not what happened.

If Petra had won a bunch of awards during the Volz era and the Schlitt-era Petra included those as part of the overall total (in fact, this does happen because Volz-era Petra was nominated for Doves and Grammys), that would be OK because all iterations of Petra build on the work of previous iterations, and the band, for all its lineup changes, maintains continuity. But that's not analogous to this case.

What is happening is that Classic Petra is marketing itself not as a continuation but as a return. It is interrupting the continuity of Petra to go back 25 years to 1985, before all of those awards were won. I don't have a problem with that – I love the Classic Petra idea and album, even if the rest of it hasn't been executed too well – but it is indeed disingenuous to say, "We're going back to 1985," on the one hand, then say, "We won all these awards," that were actually won from 1986-2000.

[Dan]

The difference is in the marketing surrounding Classic Petra and the timeframe.

If Bob had gotten together the exact same band, said, "This is Petra now," and continued on as if 2006-09 hadn't happened, then I could see listing all of Petra's accomplishments. But that's not what happened.

If Petra had won a bunch of awards during the Volz era and the Schlitt-era Petra included those as part of the overall total (in fact, this does happen because Volz-era Petra was nominated for Doves and Grammys), that would be OK because all iterations of Petra build on the work of previous iterations, and the band, for all its lineup changes, maintains continuity. But that's not analogous to this case.

What is happening is that Classic Petra is marketing itself not as a continuation but as a return. It is interrupting the continuity of Petra to go back 25 years to 1985, before all of those awards were won. I don't have a problem with that – I love the Classic Petra idea and album, even if the rest of it hasn't been executed too well – but it is indeed disingenuous to say, "We're going back to 1985," on the one hand, then say, "We won all these awards," that were actually won from 1986-2000.

Yup, well said.

In interviews they avoid the Schlitt era , so I think they should drop the whole Grammy award winning spiel.

[Shell]

You explain that very well Paul.

[BForm]

Yeah, this argument totally dismisses the part Bob and Louie played in the success of the band. Which is totally understandable when you consider the massive amount of awards John won for his solo records. Just look at them all!

http://www.johnwschlitt.com/fans/awards.htm

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