Classic Petra Web Site Updated

[bakersfieldpethead]

I agree brent, as I understand the RIAA is only for US? It can't certify what accounts it does not have access to.
Count how many other countries PETRA has played and every one of those shows in other nations have packed out with fans who sing the songs with Petra....hmmm so do you guys get it now? PETRA has sold way more than what you'll find records on.

A friend of mine "Bobby Durham" recorded an album back in the late 80s called "Where I Grew Up" on Hightone Records. But it was also released on Demon Records in Australia, in 2000 He recieved a package from Demon Records that contained a Gold Record, it wasn't RIAA Certified but Demon Records issued it because He sold the amount required in Australia.

[executioner]

Just to let everyone know, since I brought the matter to Dean's attention, he agreed it was a bit confusing so he edited that part of the history to say something more clear. Hopefully this will put everyone's minds at ease.

Thanks Preacher for asking the right person about it and I would have to say in the end Dean did the proper thing and had it clearified.
One thing that we should realize is when organization releases some type of "Official statement" is it is best to be honest, direct, and to the point; it should never come across as being vague or allow the public to be able to put their own spin into what was released. Something that bothered me was when Dean used the word "assumption" and made it sound like people were allowed to assume this, that, and other things which in the case of a press release it should be completely fact based, direct and to the point. When putting any version of the word assume into a direct quote it shows a lack of knowledge and proof.
Here are 3 definitions of the word assume...

1. Assume- suppose to be the case, without proof. (Google Online)

2. Assume- to take up or in, take over debt(Webster online)

3. Assume- to pretend to know of something without documentation or proof.(Webster hard copy revised 1993-1994)

The funny thing about the Webster Hard Copy revised is there was a picture of a donkey next to the definition.

[Preacherman777]

You're welcome, but what troubles me and I think perhaps some others about the way you are handling this is that you seem to be implying the intent to deceive on the part of Classic Petra. It's been pretty well established in this thread that are plenty of contexts in which Petra could be considered a band with multi-platinum status, so I think it's important to remember that. and in light of that to be gracious. Dean agreed that it could be a confusing thing for some so he took what action he could to eliminate any confusion, but that, by no means confirms that anything underhanded took place on the part of anyone in or with the band.

[executioner]

Where did I ever say that anybody in CPs camp was trying to deceive us? All I've said is don't make an official statement unless you have documentation to back it up, and for you to state I said or thought that Petra was trying to deceive us is unfounded and baseless on your part and your assumptions make you look like one.
I'm sorry but its foolish for any organization to put information out there then expect people to make their own assumptions by what was said and not have their facts in order. I don't think anyone with Petra really knows how many CDs, records, tapes, singles... they have sold over the years and its not their fault because its the nature of the business. Anybody that ever releases any kind of information for the band that is in an official capacity should just quote the facts nothing more, nothing less and you should not assume and do the same.

[Jonathan]

[LivingRock]

Jonathan, where do you get this stuff...!? lol

[trodLAN]

Looks like the Classic Petra web page has been updated. Looks nice, but for me the site is quite slow. I am on a 50mb broadband line, and still the site is slow... http://classicpetra.com/ Anyone else?

[Dan]

Yup is slow here too I am on a fast line too.. it's because the site is on shared hosting.

Trod anymore new videos from the early 90's of Petra?

[bakersfieldpethead]

Yup is slow here too I am on a fast line too.. it's because the site is on shared hosting.

ugh.......

[Preacherman777]

Exe, you said,

One thing that we should realize is when organization releases some type of "Official statement" is it is best to be honest, direct, and to the point

This suggests that they were not. My point was, that there are many contexts in which the statement was honest, direct and to the point. It is by your definition that it was not. This is why I think it's best to give the band the benefit of the doubt.

[executioner]

Exe, you said,

One thing that we should realize is when organization releases some type of "Official statement" is it is best to be honest, direct, and to the point

This suggests that they were not. My point was, that there are many contexts in which the statement was honest, direct and to the point. It is by your definition that it was not. This is why I think it's best to give the band the benefit of the doubt.

Where does it say I thought Petra was being dishonest? This was not specified towards Petra but to all organizations in general that make public statements.
Do me a favor stop reading between the lines and actually read the words that are on the page, don't put words in my mouth or suggest I said something I didn't. Assuming just makes you look bad.

[Preacherman777]

Ok, whatever.

[sue d.]

it's because the site is on shared hosting.

How can you tell that? It looks kinda like a WordPress site or something similar.

John's Crew site is a WordPress site, but residing on Trodland's servers. The site itself is fast when you use it, but administration via WordPress is slow and clunky at best.

Just curious...

[adpetrafan]

I believe it is time for executioner to apologize for the position he/she has taken in this thread. I tried writing personal messages to them twice in the past week and both have been ignored.

I spent all that time on the big post last week for everyone, but specifically to provide information to Sue and executioner who were the main people questioning. Why? Because this thread was not the first time the two of them have gone out of their way to take information from Classic Petra and claim it was not truthful. I honestly thought that would be it... I think I made a good argument and presented enough facts to validate the argument.

For some reason, not only is there still a problem with this, but now executioner is trying to deny the position he/she has taken in this very thread?

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executioner - 1/11/12/ 1:48 pm - "Where did I ever say that anybody in CPs camp was trying to deceive us? All I've said is don't make an official statement unless you have documentation to back it up, and for you to state I said or thought that Petra was trying to deceive us is unfounded and baseless on your part and your assumptions make you look like one."

executioner - 1/11/12/ 5:36 pm - "Where does it say I thought Petra was being dishonest? This was not specified towards Petra but to all organizations in general that make public statements.
Do me a favor stop reading between the lines and actually read the words that are on the page, don't put words in my mouth or suggest I said something I didn't. Assuming just makes you look bad."

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I am sorry, but I cannot sit by and let you attack someone else again executioner. Let's review your own words:

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executioner - 1/10/12 7:21 am - "This is embarrassing that they can't get their facts straight."

executioner - 1/10/12 7:35 am - "I think she is like me and just wants them to get their facts straight. IMO if you can't get it straight don't put it in an official press release."

executioner - 1/10/12 9:52 am - "If they don't have the proof they could be held liable especially if they are shown trying to make profits off the numbers. I'm going by the numbers that are documented and certified, don't you think they should do the same?"

executioner - 1/10/12 10:24 am - "I think Petra and management would be served best just to stick with the facts that are documented and certified. It's a grey area built on a lot of assumptions and I think they should stick to the black and white."

executioner - 1/11/12 11:25 am - "One thing that we should realize is when organization releases some type of "Official statement" is it is best to be honest, direct, and to the point; it should never come across as being vague or allow the public to be able to put their own spin into what was released. Something that bothered me was when Dean used the word "assumption" and made it sound like people were allowed to assume this, that, and other things which in the case of a press release it should be completely fact based, direct and to the point. When putting any version of the word assume into a direct quote it shows a lack of knowledge and proof."

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Executioner, how can you possibly claim that you have not repeatedly stated that Classic Petra is being dishonest? What did you mean when you said "they can't get their facts straight"? You took a position that they were claiming certified platinum album sales and therefore were being dishonest. They never said that, and I think it is time to stop trying to give them a bad name for your misunderstanding.

[pmal]