Obama is not fit to serve much less teach....

[rexreed]

You have folks that don't like Obama because the pastor at his Christian church said racist things. Some don't like him because they believe he is Muslim. What gets me are the people that do not like him because of both reasons- it's not rational. It would seem that calling the President wicked and evil is a bit much, but some folks here like to throw those words around because they are feeling quite passionate at the moment. I don't remember ever reading how the devil is obsessed with the U.S. Constitution. That's a new one

[brent]

I don't remember ever reading how the devil is obsessed with the U.S. Constitution. That's a new one

Bwuhahahaha

You are not talking to the same preachers on talk radio that wrap the flag of the USA around the cross and sell it as one thing.

[Preacherman777]

My reasons for not liking Obama have nothing to do with either of those reasons and in fact, I suspect that your believing that is the product of media influence. My reasons for not liking Obama is that he has moved us further into socialism, has surrounded himself with socialists and communists, takes credit for things he didn't do and blames others for his problems, opposes all the things that people of faith care about, doesn't support Israel, has forced us into higher energy costs, , has wasted untold amounts of taxpayer money and needlessly spent vastly more, has basically raped the U.S. Constitution and has an ego the size of Jupiter. Well, that's just a few things off the top of my head. I shutter to think what horror will ensue if this guy gets another term.

[rexreed]

A non scientific poll of my facebook friends and anecdotal evidence on the streets is what I based that on preacherman777:) You might be shocked at how many people do actually believe both. Politics and religion are sure fire ways to ruin a party. Mix the two of them and blammo- you have intense hate, the likes of which I've not seen in my life.

(skip this part unless you are really bored- it's a long story made longer with my rambling)I've done a poor job calling elections since 1998 when I first covered the Calcasieu Parish race for sheriff. You see, for the first time ever a woman, Beth Lundy, was running for the position in the conservative SW corner of Louisiana. She ran against a 20+ incumbent, Wayne Mckelvin. I discounted her campaign because I just could not see a woman convincing the Parish to vote out the 20 year incumbent. Well, on election night I remember my organization had decided to set up everything at the return party for Wayne since he'd won so many times before. If we had been larger we would have been at both but we were tiny so we had to guess. Halfway through the returns it was clear that Beth was going to win this one and we packed up our stuff to head across town cover the winner. Wayne supporters could not believe it. His people were fuming and even Wayne was less than professional the more returns that came in. I could not believe it. One thing is for sure the election that year sent a message that the people in the parish were sick of the way things had been run. Beth didn't last long as Sheriff but she also didn't lead the area into total lawlessness either. Both candidates prayed to God yet only one could win.

Since then I've picked so many winners that turned out to be losers that it just is not funny. Then I realized how sheltered my life has been compared to the poorest of the poor. My single mom household was by no means luxurious but compared to the bottom twenty percent we lived like kings. I never noticed this till I got out of the "bubble." Granted, it was not by choice, my job required that I spend a lot of time with people that make chump change. The working poor(not the chronically unemployed- that's another story). Those folks do not always view the important issues of the day the same as me. Often I find we are polar opposites, with a few things in common along the way. Many love Jesus just like the rest of us- they certainly show it with their commitment to God and family. These folks don't dream of retirement, vacations, or even buying new cars. They do vote though, and there are a bunch of them. It doesn't make them wicked or evil just because they pick a different candidate than I do. It just so happens that a lot of YOU here at the Zone may be in your own "bubble." Teachers, church employees, suburban dwellers, you are all prime pickins for living in a bubble. You may be better educated, but that also means you are probably outnumbered. So to make a long rambling story short just know that there are a bunch of people that do not share your opinion that are entitled to vote. More than you could ever imagine. They live in conditions that you might consider third world and do not think for a second that your way is the high way. Get out of the bubble and feel the pulse of the other side.

[Preacherman777]

Well, now, there's another one of those little stereotypical assumptions of the left. That is, that no one on the right knows what's it's like to be poor. I'll share with you a little fact about my life. I grew up in poverty. If not by the grace of God and good Christian people who often helped us out, we would not have had a roof over our heads or food to eat or a car to drive. I've been there and I'm am still by no means rich, but it just so happens that I believe the way out of those conditions I grew up in are not the ways promoted by the left. Sure, a lot of those folks will go for the people on the left because of all the handouts and I understand that. It's easy to buy and manipulate people who are in a desperate situation, but you see it doesn't help them in the long run. We've been fighting the war on poverty for 50 years and guess what, there are still plenty of poor people. Throwing money at such problems does not solve them. Teaching people how to better themselves does. We'd all be a lot better off if people dealt with poverty the way the Bible teaches, by personal charity towards your fellow man and taking a vested interest in their welfare, then by trying to legislate with programs that are over bloated, wasteful and mostly ineffective and by and large only serve to create resentment between the classes. It might surprise you to know that although those on the left typically have more money than those on the right, those on the right are more generous with personal charity than those on the left. Just one of those annoying little statistical facts that the left doesn't like to think about. Those on the left are far more generous with other people's money, but not with their own.

[rexreed]

"Well, now, there's another one of those little stereotypical assumptions of the left."
Who exactly is making the a**umption? I'm pretty sure that all poor people aren't leftists, and a lot of folks that voted for Obama the first time weren't either. You can't win the election with your own kind right now.

As stated my lame story was just an observation, completely anecdotal. If you think your way is best all the time then there is a word for you.

[Preacherman777]

Your story implied that those of us on the right don't think about the plight of the poor and why they make the choices they do. This is what I responded to. It's always easier to join the wide open path, where things are free and easy, but ultimately lead to destruction. It's much harder to walk the road of personal responsibility and accountability to standards and expectations. I understand why people choose the side of the hill that appears to be greener. I really do, but there's a reason that our country is in the mess it's in and sure isn't because of conservative values. It's because of both Republicans and Democrats who are trying to be progressive.

[gman]

I think the mandate should be struck down. It's another encroachment on ones freedom and money. I think the whole bill is a bad idea, and will not lead to any savings. The more layers you add to healthcare, the higher the cost. What's being said with the mandate is that a person who chooses to write their own check to pay for their healthcare, rather than give their money to a third party to write the check, should not have the freedom to make that choice. That person would be forced to lose money by having to buy insurance. For insurance to survive, the average person must pay in more than the insurance company pays out. So, the average person currently choosing to go without would be forced to spend more for their healthcare.
If you force insurance companies to pay for more stuff, then they must increase premiums. Once you reach the point where premiums are too expensive, then you have to cut things out to get premiums down. My opinion is that insurance should be cut way back. We should be moving back toward people paying for more services out of pocket, which would make them cheaper, and having health insurance be catastrophic like other forms of insurance. The insurance would be cheaper, as would the healthcare services.
I may have missed some things I was thinking, and this may be off track from original discussion, but I wanted to throw it out there.

[brent]

People have already been denied coverage and care as a pre-knee jerk reaction. Companies are already deciding to cut back coverages and benefits. My old company made the plan ala carte. Now the deductibles are higher and the coverage is less. Dental and vision is a separate option, and cancer coverage is no longer offered.

Welcome to socialized medicine and some retard in an office rubber stamping your denial letters.

[gman]

What happens when you are forced to buy insurance, the insurance company denies a particular need, and you can't pay for the need because the money you would have used to pay for it went instead to buy the expensive insurance. At this point, if this thing is not dismantled, the framework is all there to nasty up healthcare enough to cause people to beg for a Gov't takeover. The "Complete Lives System" of one of the Presidents healthcare advisors could also come into play.

[brent]

Obama is a chosen "tool" by God to bring about the systematic break-down of the most powerful nation on the planet, so that the one-world government can be reality and wanted by America's citizens. Pretty soon Americans will be so frustrated that they will be willing to sign over sovereignty, to have meager portions of something, instead of nothing. This has never been so evident that it could possibly happen in my life time than now. Until I saw all of the brain dead, racist, lazy, black people worshiping Obama for his ability to take care of them, with his free Obama money, I never thought we in the USA would be so stupid as to worship one man, let alone the anti-Christ. So, now it is possible, IMO, for the USA to get behind a figure like that.

I predict, after the people of the USA come to their senses, and people begin to rebel against the anti-Christ, there will be some racial tensions because of Obama laying the foundation. People will start to put two and two together, but it will be too late for them.

[rexreed]

This has never been so evident that it could possibly happen in my life time than now. Until I saw all of the brain dead, racist, lazy, black people worshiping Obama for his ability to take care of them, with his free Obama money, I never thought we in the USA would be so stupid as to worship one man, let alone the anti-Christ.

Usually you make well thought, intelligent posts. This thread that you created is not a good example. Do you realize that it takes more than black people to vote a president into office? That would mean there are smart, hard working, non racist people that did vote for Obama, or in your own words, the anti-Christ. Sometimes the guy you vote for loses. You just have to wait till the next election. In a couple years lets revisit this one and see if you still believe that Obama is the aC.

[p-freak]

Obama is a chosen "tool" by God to bring about the systematic break-down of the most powerful nation on the planet, so that the one-world government can be reality and wanted by America's citizens. Pretty soon Americans will be so frustrated that they will be willing to sign over sovereignty, to have meager portions of something, instead of nothing. This has never been so evident that it could possibly happen in my life time than now. Until I saw all of the brain dead, racist, lazy, black people worshiping Obama for his ability to take care of them, with his free Obama money, I never thought we in the USA would be so stupid as to worship one man, let alone the anti-Christ. So, now it is possible, IMO, for the USA to get behind a figure like that.

I predict, after the people of the USA come to their senses, and people begin to rebel against the anti-Christ, there will be some racial tensions because of Obama laying the foundation. People will start to put two and two together, but it will be too late for them.

You're barking mad.

[CatNamedManny]

Brent sure knows how to scuttle his credibility on a topic – and drag down the credibility of everyone who agrees with him, to boot. I'll give him that. I've never seen an argument go up in flames so fast.

[gman]

Obama is a chosen "tool" by God to bring about the systematic break-down of the most powerful nation on the planet, so that the one-world government can be reality and wanted by America's citizens. Pretty soon Americans will be so frustrated that they will be willing to sign over sovereignty, to have meager portions of something, instead of nothing. This has never been so evident that it could possibly happen in my life time than now. Until I saw all of the brain dead, racist, lazy, black people worshiping Obama for his ability to take care of them, with his free Obama money, I never thought we in the USA would be so stupid as to worship one man, let alone the anti-Christ. So, now it is possible, IMO, for the USA to get behind a figure like that.

I predict, after the people of the USA come to their senses, and people begin to rebel against the anti-Christ, there will be some racial tensions because of Obama laying the foundation. People will start to put two and two together, but it will be too late for them.

You're barking mad.

Not so much