question to ponder

shawnpfan2010 · Post by **shawnpfan2010** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:18 pm

With all of the talk on here about Classic Petra not drawing big crowds and maybe not making much money from this tour, it got me thinking, if only one person has been brought back to Christ because of this tour, was it worth it for them to come back?

Also could God have put this together to bring healing to the band? I know Louie was hurt the way he was let go, Mark Kelly said he felt like he turned his back on God when he left, Greg had a falling out with Bob, maybe God used this to help the guys heal?

Silly questions I know, but we always make the things about Classic Petra what we want and desire them to do, rather than wanting what Gods wants to do through them.

Just some random thoughts, what are your thoughts?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:10 pm

shawnpfan2010 wrote:With all of the talk on here about Classic Petra not drawing big crowds and maybe not making much money from this tour, it got me thinking, if only one person has been brought back to Christ because of this tour, was it worth it for them to come back?

Shawn your question reminds me of Matt. 18:12

"What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?"

I think if one person was saved, it was all worth it.

shawnpfan2010 wrote:Mark Kelly said he felt like he turned his back on God when he left

Did Mark say this one the BTTR Live DVD? just wondering..

p-freak · Post by **p-freak** » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:41 pm

That's a good point, Shawn. I'm happy with any show they're playing and just reading the responses on Facebook shows that they're already have an impact. People are remembering what it was like when God first called them.

I think Mark mentioned that in interview on the Soul2Soul radio special, but I could be wrong. I did hear Mark say this somewhere.

brent · Post by **brent** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:31 am

Mark did say that on the DVD. I don't know Mark on any level. Only members of his family have spoken with me. I bet any minister that chooses to leave, or is forced to leave, a particular place, group, relationship, etc would say the same thing. Being in the public eye in a Christian band and/or in ministry of some kind puts people in a place of outward conformity. Whether or not they are living it inside, they can appear to be on the outside. The audience sees the performers on stage, and assumes the stuff they are selling is a direct representation of what life is like for those on stage 24/7. This just isn't the case for all, all of the time. Mark has not spoken as to why he left. I know only what Louie told me. Louie made a joke and said that he made Mark quit, because of some practical jokes. Again, it was a JOKE and it was funny when he said it. I would see how anyone who left Petra in the glory days of the genre, the band, and the booming acceptance of CCM in the USA, would think that they turned their back on God, since God was using Petra in a great way. But, I would tell Mark, "God is not limited to using Petra alone. Even though you think you walked away and you might not have been happy with your life's choices afterwards, God was likely more concerned with your relationship with him than anything else, and you quite possibly might have been preserved from things and FOR things to come."

CP has a pre-qualified audience. Playing churches and such, to people that already know the people and the music, is not going to yield huge numbers of salvation experiences. The intention of Classic Petra per GXV was to get people who had fallen away from church, God, the music, etc to come back. That was his vision for it. If one soul returned, then it was worth it. The problem is, the world of economics, supply and demand, will not allow the band to exist without cash. They can't/won't do it out of their own pockets gratis.

shawnpfan2010 · Post by **shawnpfan2010** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:23 pm

Just to be clear I want Classic Petra to be successful and make new albums but maybe this is as big as God needs them to be right now.

What Brent said got me thinking about the money side of things, why are there no ultra rich christians stepping foward and financing the band to help spread the gospel, or any band for that matter, it seems all of the money is on the secular side of things. It just isn't fair!!

LOL

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:57 pm

shawnpfan2010 wrote:Just to be clear I want Classic Petra to be successful and make new albums but maybe this is as big as God needs them to be right now.

What Brent said got me thinking about the money side of things, why are there no ultra rich christians stepping foward and financing the band to help spread the gospel, or any band for that matter, it seems all of the money is on the secular side of things. It just isn't fair!! LOL

I'm not even sure Classic Petra would accept charity or donations just to keep the thing going; They had an opportunity to go out on tour in late 2010 & early 2011 with a big name Christian band but the management turn it down. I'm not sure if the actual members were involved in the decision making process or not, but if accepted this would have been with the hottest selling CCM artists out there today and they would have been playing as an opening act to about 5k-10k nightly for about 50 dates or so.

brent · Post by **brent** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:54 pm

Yeah, but would they have had to pay to play as the opener, or would it have been worth their while?

They are going out with Disciple. THAT doesn't make sense to me. I like those guys. But, Disciple is not the same genre, and draws a completely different crowd, etc. I don't see this working.

fcollazo · Post by **fcollazo** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:20 pm

hey brent is that a tour with disciple or just 1 show?

brent · Post by **brent** » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:41 pm

Fall tour.

Edit. Just heard, it was Bread of Stone, not Classic Petra. I misread a re-tweet from the official classic petra account. Bread of Stone is not in the same genre either, so that is weird, but...they are friends and supporters of Petra.

Twitter sucks.....or I am getting old....or both.

imc · Post by **imc** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:00 am

I'm not sure about the whole "if one person gets saved, then it was all worthwhile..." argument. It sounds logical on the surface "yeah it cost $50,000 to put on that show, but someone was saved, you can't put a price on someones eternal destiny!", but what if $50,000 put towards another method of evangelism, or another context (e.g. inner city) or another country reaped 1000 souls? What if a christian missed an amazing opportunity to share their faith because they were at a Petra concert instead? I'm kind of being facetious here, but my point is, let's not over-spiritualise these things, Petra is entertainment with the happy side effect that people are sometimes saved through their music. They are also a commercial entity, one where the market decides its worth. If the market isn't there, nor will Classic Petra be there for long. If that's the case, we might miss out on some great gigs, or some of our old favourites re-recorded, but I don't think we need to worry for the eternal destiny of peoples souls.

shawnpfan2010 · Post by **shawnpfan2010** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:07 am

imc wrote:I'm not sure about the whole "if one person gets saved, then it was all worthwhile..." argument. It sounds logical on the surface "yeah it cost $50,000 to put on that show, but someone was saved, you can't put a price on someones eternal destiny!", but what if $50,000 put towards another method of evangelism, or another context (e.g. inner city) or another country reaped 1000 souls? What if a christian missed an amazing opportunity to share their faith because they were at a Petra concert instead? I'm kind of being facetious here, but my point is, let's not over-spiritualise these things, Petra is entertainment with the happy side effect that people are sometimes saved through their music. They are also a commercial entity, one where the market decides its worth. If the market isn't there, nor will Classic Petra be there for long. If that's the case, we might miss out on some great gigs, or some of our old favourites re-recorded, but I don't think we need to worry for the eternal destiny of peoples souls.

I'll counter that with, what about those people who won't go to church or an inner city ministry, but might go to a less threating concert?

I am pretty sure the Bible tells us to "go and spread the gospel to all men of every nation" so dosen't that mean we should worry about the "eternal destiny of peoples souls"?

imc · Post by **imc** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 5:23 am

shawnpfan2010 wrote: dosen't that mean we should worry about the "eternal destiny of peoples souls"?

I said "worry for" not "worry about", in other words we don't need to worry that people won't be saved if Classic Petra becomes financially inviable. It's a vast simplification to start quantifying the price of a salvation by saying things like "someone was saved therefore the $50K concert was worth it" because others could counter that by pointing out $50K could support a missionary family in an unreached nation for a year establishing a church which goes onto see many thousands brought to Christ over the years.

I'm not saying don't have Christian concerts, but let them be self sustaining - if they don't pay for themselves, don't put them on. As a means of entertainment and edification they can be great, but as a tool of evangelism, I'm convinced they don't represent an efficient use of money.

shawnpfan2010 · Post by **shawnpfan2010** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:01 am

Is $50,000 just a number you are using or does it cost that much to book CP?

Preacherman777 · Post by **Preacherman777** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:40 am

I highly doubt it cost anywhere near that much to book Classic Petra.

brent · Post by **brent** » Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:35 am

50,000 was the initial cost With a full production. They are going out for less money, without the staging, without the ful light and video show.

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