John and Greg

[e5c4p3artist]

Yeah, that's better than nothing. But, I couldn't sit there without thinking, "This guy is NOT Bob, this guy isn't Greg or Paul, etc." To me that was like watching Lou Gramm minus Foreignor do those songs, or Journey minus Steve Perry, or Sammy Hagar do David Lee Roth era Van Halen tunes.

Why jack with the memories?

I am ready to see John get so great writers and great players and have the production that he deserves. There is a place for him, but it may not be rock and roll. Not unless he can assemble a super group where the focus is shared between players/singers. IMNSHO

It's a personal problem if people can't move on. Journey without Perry, for instance. Based soley on the performances, music, and presentation of the current lineup, they're just as good as Journey with Perry. Are they the most popluar act going? No, but they wouldn't be if Perry was with them either.

Why jack with the memories? Because artist have lives that they should not be limited by the way the fans think they should live them. If they want to do something, they should do it. They can't limit themselves because they might bruise some random person's memories.

[Preacherman777]

I should point out that I was also not suggesting that either of these guys should try to build their careers on doing something like that, I totally agree that that would not be wise. I'm just talking about a cool one time thing that could be done somewhere down the road, just for the fun of it basically.

[brent]

Brent,

Do you mean that Journey should not keep going on without Steve Perry?

No. I am not saying that. There was Journey before Steve Perry, just not a very popular Journey. Perry made Journey the household name that it became.

It's just not the same with Augeri. He has been flat, sharp, or blown his pipes at the performances I saw. The background vocals are not as good as what they were. They wrecked the fondness that I had for the tunes.

At least on the Generations record, they changed the formula to what it was back in the old days. It is not so much a continuation of the Perry sound through Augeri.

Holding a band to only repeat history is like revisiting a girl friend that you broke up with. Why do that? Can't people progress? I think that Journey is trying to progress now, by taking a step back to the late seventies. This may do it. I don't know. Personally Generations sucks to me. There is one good song, and it wasn't originally available in the US. That bites.

It is a shame that some bands will never be allowed to evolve beyond their big hit, be it "Dust in the Wind", "8675309", "Seperate Ways" or pick your fav Petra hit. It is a shame that the members are only known for these, and not for allowed to play the great music afterwards. This is truely an American issue of fickleness and stiff necked tastes. This is why many of the bands of the 70's, 80's and beyond have successful carreers in other markets outside of the US. Those markets don't care about holding artists to their past. They are starved for quality musicianship and great songs. The US only cares about who has great tops, bottoms, hair and clothes (secular and Christian) TODAY. Once you make your mark for me TODAY, NEVER CHANGE TOMORROW.

I am tired now. I have to mix a Christmas record.

[Shell]

It's normal to associate a singer with a band...I think of Steve Perry when I think of Journey, Peter Cetera when I think of Chicago, and Dennis DeYoung when I think of Styx. These were the guys singing the songs they were playing on the radio.

[e5c4p3artist]

It's normal to associate a singer with a band...I think of Steve Perry when I think of Journey, Peter Cetera when I think of Chicago, and Dennis DeYoung when I think of Styx. These were the guys singing the songs they were playing on the radio.

That's true, although truer (is that a word?) for some bands than others. I can't imagine an Aerosmith without Steven Tyler, for instance. But I'm comfortable with Journey now - I even liked the Arrival CD.

This almost brings me back on topic, because I am remembering how devastated I was in 1986 when, as a 14-year old who loved nothing more than Petra in the MP2Y, NOTW, and BTS era found out that Greg X. was out and some guy named John was in.

I still prefer that era in many ways, because that was what I was introduced to and learned to love. Petra was mysterious to me, no one could sing like Greg could, especially on songs like Judas' Kiss. And no one was making the kind of music they made back then. John came in and every Def Leppard, Kiss, and Bon Jovi was playing the same thing.

I learned to adjust and Petra stayed relatively popular for quite some time. I don't actually know what that goes to prove, except that maybe I've matured over the years and have learned not to pigeon-hole a band by a sound it once had. Heck, I've actually grown to like the Toto albums during the years that Lukather was singing lead better than when they were popular and I never even realized it until Kimball came back a few years ago.

But I ramble......

[brent]

It's normal to associate a singer with a band...I think of Steve Perry when I think of Journey, Peter Cetera when I think of Chicago, and Dennis DeYoung when I think of Styx. These were the guys singing the songs they were playing on the radio.

That's true, although truer (is that a word?) for some bands than others. I can't imagine an Aerosmith without Steven Tyler, for instance. But I'm comfortable with Journey now - I even liked the Arrival CD.

This almost brings me back on topic, because I am remembering how devastated I was in 1986 when, as a 14-year old who loved nothing more than Petra in the MP2Y, NOTW, and BTS era found out that Greg X. was out and some guy named John was in.

I still prefer that era in many ways, because that was what I was introduced to and learned to love. Petra was mysterious to me, no one could sing like Greg could, especially on songs like Judas' Kiss. And no one was making the kind of music they made back then. John came in and every Def Leppard, Kiss, and Bon Jovi was playing the same thing.

I learned to adjust and Petra stayed relatively popular for quite some time. I don't actually know what that goes to prove, except that maybe I've matured over the years and have learned not to pigeon-hole a band by a sound it once had. Heck, I've actually grown to like the Toto albums during the years that Lukather was singing lead better than when they were popular and I never even realized it until Kimball came back a few years ago.

But I ramble......

Yeah baby! Toto!

Lukather has a new album out. He also has a great Christmas album that everyone should get. It was recorded in one day, in analog, in two takes or less. True talent!

Toto's live DVD is great. They also have a new record coming, if it is not out in the US already.

[BriGuyPEI]

I think they should tour, but John can sing Sammy Hagar's tunes and Greg can sing David Lee Roth's tunes. That should be fair enough.

Am I the only one who thought that this post was really funny?

[Shell]

Yeah, that is pretty funny. Except I think John should sing David Lee Roth's songs.

Toto has put out some good stuff. Journey did some good stuff before and after Steve Perry was with them, but the songs they did when
Steve Perry was with them was what was played on the radio. I'm partial to him because I love that voice.

[e5c4p3artist]

I'll have to make sure I check out those albums, brent. Also, there is a CD recorded under the band name "Los Lobotomys" that is basically one of the best albums Toto never made. I'm glad I picked it up when it came out - I search for it every once in awhile nowadays just for fun and it is pretty hard to find.

And I think John would have to sing Sammy's songs - much closer voice match.

[Preacherman777]

Yeah, but Greg definetly does not sound like DLR. Then again, I can't think of anybody that does.

[brent]

I'll have to make sure I check out those albums, brent. Also, there is a CD recorded under the band name "Los Lobotomys" that is basically one of the best albums Toto never made. I'm glad I picked it up when it came out - I search for it every once in awhile nowadays just for fun and it is pretty hard to find.

And I think John would have to sing Sammy's songs - much closer voice match.

The Christmas one is on his website. I don't think that you can get it in the stores. You might also check out MagnaCarta's website. It might be there.

[sue d.]

It has to be his voice and songs; the things he wants to say through music.

And that's exactly what he wants to do... and I can't wait to see how it will all come about.