Mystery on Bob's view lyrics on He Came He Saw solved.

[Enosh]

I was listening to Grave Robber today and the answer to some of the Doubt as to whether Bob believes as I do that Jesus decended into Hell or not jumped out at me... Say that 5 times fast...


"There is one who has been there and still lives to tell. There is one who has been to both Heaven and hell."

There you have it folks. Talk amongst yourselves. This is actually a long held belief that I was surprised to see some people questioning. Just thought I would drop these lyrics on ya.. haha

[darthpethead]

I was listening to Grave Robber today and the answer to some of the Doubt as to whether Bob believes as I do that Jesus decended into Hell or not jumped out at me... Say that 5 times fast...


"There is one who has been there and still lives to tell. There is one who has been to both Heaven and hell."

There you have it folks. Talk amongst yourselves. This is actually a long held belief that I was surprised to see some people questioning. Just thought I would drop these lyrics on ya.. haha

I agree with you. I know this is not a direct link to Jesus but I can almost prove that he went to Hell

Remember the story about when Saul visited the witch at Endor? Well remember that somehow she contacted Samuel. And he told Saul that that next day He was going to die. Here is the passage


1 Sam 28:13-19
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.
me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines

1 Sam 28:13-19
13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.
16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.
19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
(KJV)



So we can clearly see that Samuel might have went to Hell. Because he said that you will join me

We know that Saul didnt go to Heaven because God cut him off and the Spirit of God departed fro, him. So he was going down to join Samuel. Now here is where Jesus came in

He went DOWN into the heart of earth and set the captive free because there was the law in the OT and no grace so.... remember the law killeth but the spirit of grace brings life.

So Jesus went to Hell

[Enosh]

Amen brother. That's a good one.

By the way, love your screen name.
But can one be both a Sith and a Pethead? Discuss amoungst yourselves that one if you will.

[darthpethead]

Amen brother. That's a good one.

By the way, love your screen name.
But can one be both a Sith and a Pethead? Discuss amoungst yourselves that one if you will.

I dont know. I wanted one that would be unique Jedipethead sounded like anybody would come up with it, meaning it was not unique darthpethead has kinda has a ring to it lol! maybe that is why nobody responds to my messages hmmmmmmm? they think im lol

[sue d.]

As one formerly dubbed as Darth Dempster, welcome to the Dark Side!

[reoracer]

ROFL!!! That picture just made me shoot my milk out my nose....

Love ya, Darth Dempster!
Jen

Now back to the REAL topic...

[Edward]

The Hebrew word Sheol in the OT = "place of the dead/departed souls/spirits"

The Greek word "Hades" in the NT = "grave/place of the departed souls/spirits, realm of the dead, a temporary place where they await the resurrection"

Hell, not Hades, not Sheol, is the permanent and final place of judgment for Satan and any rebuker/refuser of God. Death and the grave will be thrown into hell (Revelation).

Again. Jesus did NOT go to hell to suffer. That was complete on the cross, resulting in Jesus not being able to see, feel, hear the Father, and then die in agony. Many scholars say that it was that pain of separation, due to taking on all sin, that was the killer.

When the bible states that Jesus was in the depths or inner most part of the earth for three days and nights, think about this. The Psalmist also says that God knitted him together in the womb, that He (God) knew him before, when he was made in the inner most part of the earth.

I think that we cannot build theology around a poetic phrase. It is dangerous. Obviously David's soul was not in a holding place for the dead or was conceived in there.

Psalm 139:15
My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

[Enosh]

You are correct that Jesus did not go to hell to suffer. He went to finalize things and lead captivity captive.

Revelation says Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire which is the second death. Hell is a holding place before judgement.

[SkyCaptain]

Or it could've been Satan impersonating Samuel. Theological differences aside, I find it hard to believe that Samuel would be lost.

Mark

[darthpethead]

Or it could've been Satan impersonating Samuel. Theological differences aside, I find it hard to believe that Samuel would be lost.

Mark

Why would the devil tell someone they are going to go to hell if anything he would tell them not to worry they are going to Heaven. There is no truth in the devil and the truth was Saul was going to die

I see your point though

[Edward]

Or it could've been Satan impersonating Samuel. Theological differences aside, I find it hard to believe that Samuel would be lost.

Mark

Satan has no ability to create, or assume any other form than his own.

[e5c4p3artist]

Satan has no ability to create, or assume any other form than his own.

So you are saying that Satan does not have the ability to masquerade as an "angel of light?"

[Edward]

Satan has no ability to create, or assume any other form than his own.

So you are saying that Satan does not have the ability to masquerade as an "angel of light?"

If you study what he looks like, he is a beautiful cherub, the most beautiful thing that God created. He is what he was. He is still mislead by his own beauty. Nothing has changed. So, it is not his appearance that changes, it is who he says that he is.

His sin was pride and and being the father of lies. This is why mankind has been enccouraged to know God, so that they know the truth and are not mislead. Satan came to be worshiped by man.

Satan gets too much credit for sin today, and none of us have seen him, or have been influenced by him. He stands in heaven, living up to his name, accusing us of our sins. He is not everywhere at once. Neither are his followers. It was Adam that chose to sin, not Eve, and then pass that sin nature onto us. Even if Satan were bound in hell today, we would still sin, because it is our nature.

[Shell]

What about 1 Peter 5:8 telling us to be alert because our enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour? I do agree that satan can't be everywhere at once. But things like death and disease aren't from God. The enemy knows what his future is, and he wants to destroy as many of God's children as he can before the end. Very often satan's attacks will be through something you're dealing with in your everyday life, and you're faced with trusting God or going your own way. That's how satan operates, and if he can get someone to do their own thing rather than obey God, it's a victory for him. It's a spiritual battle, yes, but evil is a very real thing. You can't tell me someone like Hitler was just having a bad day. Satan's work is done through people and their actions. Yes, we do have a basic sin nature and he plays on that.

You're right about Satan being a fallen angel...We often think of him as ugly with horns and a tail, but he was a beautiful creation of God. And he is quite capable of making sin look very appealing too.

[js3971]

Who influence Eve to sin? He told her somthing, that she didn't resist with the direct word of God. Instead she began to reason with what he said. Then she began to think that what he had told her was her own thoughts. He had truly deceived her, and then she sinned, by not doing what God had told her to do.

When Cain killed Able. Who told Cain to kill Able. How did Cain know what murder was? He'd never seen a murder before? Did he just think of it on his own? God told him to be careful because sin is crouching at his door. In other words, he was telling him to guard his heart or his spirit. The same thing God tells us, and the same thing he had told Adam to do when he told him to guard the garden. He didn't do that and didn't guard the thing God had told him to do, therefore, a door was opened or a place was given. God tells us don't give the devil a place.

I have never seen Satan myself with my physical eyes, and I doubt anyone else has either. But I have seen demons with my own eyes, and I have seen the results of their influence. I have also seen their influence and the results of many years of following their words instead of God. I have been to third world countries, and have seen the results of satan or demonic inflence first hand. The people in these countries are poor, sick, have almost nothing if anything, and almost no hope of anything ever changing. Now, is the influence of God, of satan, or because those people are just naturally sinful? Remember God says we are made in his own image. Our spirit is.

The flesh, yes, is in it's nature sinful. But according to what Jesus did on the cross, that flesh was crucified along with him. That's why scripture tells us to put that old man off. In Roman times, if someone committed a murder and they were caught, part of their punishment was to have to carry that dead man around on their back. That's why that illusion would have been powerful to the people that first heard it when they were told to put the old man of sin down.

We probably do give satan too much credit. But I am never going to blame God for sin or evil. God does not tempt people with evil. He does not inlict bad things or evil on people to teach them a lesson. Can they learn lessons from the consequences, of course they can, but God did not put that on them. That's why he tells us ahead of time to stay away from those things, because if you don't, these things will happen. The problem comes when we decide to doubt what he said (take a hold of satan's words is doubt), or to follow God's word.

Also, we dont' give God enough credit for what he has done for us. Scripture says that Jesus became our sin that we might become his righteousness. So that's why I don't call myself a sinner saved by grace any more. In Christ, I am the righteousness of God. Do I still sin, yes of course I do. But that doesn't change who I am and it doesn't change what God has said about me and it doesn't change what God has already done for me. Then agian, the choice comes, will I believe and do what God says, or will doubt (believe satan's words) and do what he says.