What do you think about home schooling Kids

[yamasaaaki har har]

I don't really enjoy participating in debates too much either, but I've got a burning question . . .

LESS THAN 20% OF THOSE BEING RAISED IN EVANGELICAL CHURCHES CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN CHURCH AFTER LEAVING HOME.

Does "church" include other Christian faith programs such as bible camps, high school youth groups, and college ministry programs? While in high school, I knew some peers who didn't regularly attend church but still attended a highly faith-based youth group.

And the numbers of those that continue in church but reject a biblical world view is even more staggering.

How do we know that? I have to say that I've very skeptical about the accuracy of religion statistics, because it's not like staticians can poll every single person on the planet about their beliefs. And even if they could, a lot of people would probably be dishonest and mark wrong answers.

Although I still think staticians are doing a good thing by doing faith surveys - that helps them provide us with useful estimates. Estimates, though, not necessarily facts.

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

Home school is the best way to go as I have said. My kids get to learn all the subjects and learn more about God. I don't want my kids in public school and noone will tell me I am doing wrong cause I have prayed about it.

We are living in a time where kids can't pray, can't say the name of Jesus and can't bring their bibles to school. Our kids must be forced to be only taught evolution. I don't go for that. I am accountable for my kids and what they learn. My kids will know there is a God. My kids will also learn all the school subjects that there is. What people are not reading of my words is and I have to repeat myself. They get one on one attention from me. Which public schools can not provide.



My kids socialize with kids in church and in the neighborhood. They don't lack any social skills. My son done got involved in sports on base. My daughter is now in dance class. So they don't have any lack of social skills..

[separateunion]

BForm wrote:
LESS THAN 20% OF THOSE BEING RAISED IN EVANGELICAL CHURCHES CONTINUE TO BE INVOLVED IN CHURCH AFTER LEAVING HOME.


Does "church" include other Christian faith programs such as bible camps, high school youth groups, and college ministry programs? While in high school, I knew some peers who didn't regularly attend church but still attended a highly faith-based youth group.

I believe the argument here would be that the church is supposed to be based around the family, and youth group, youth camps, etc. does not line up with the Biblical mandate to raise up a child in the way he should go. It is still giving your child to someone else to teach as that person sees fit, something else that is not necessarily supported by Scripture.

BForm wrote:
And the numbers of those that continue in church but reject a biblical world view is even more staggering.


How do we know that? I have to say that I've very skeptical about the accuracy of religion statistics, because it's not like staticians can poll every single person on the planet about their beliefs. And even if they could, a lot of people would probably be dishonest and mark wrong answers.

Although I still think staticians are doing a good thing by doing faith surveys - that helps them provide us with useful estimates. Estimates, though, not necessarily facts.

Not that I am a firm believer in statistics, but they do have some merit. There is a mathematical formula that allows you to poll a small sample of a group of people and come up with a pretty accurate description of the whole. Religious and faith based statistics aren't anymore "off" than political statistics, but if statistics are showing a 20% as stated above, it would be logical to except than even if this was a bit lower than the actual number, the actual number is still pretty sad.

[crossways]

I have tried to stay away from this topic because I have said more than my fair share really, but I must respond to a couple of things.

We are living in a time where kids can't pray, can't say the name of Jesus and can't bring their bibles to school. Our kids must be forced to be only taught evolution.

This is simply not true. The fact is that where prayer and witnessing in schools have been upheld is only when students initiate it. I have a student who brings his Bible to class with him and has it on his desk at all times. When students are given "free" time he almost always opens it and reads. What a FANTASTIC witness.

The only time I have ever really seen or heard of students not being allowed to have their Bibles in class or witness is when they are becoming disruptive or distracting during a lesson or when students are supposed to be on task with an assignment.

I'm sure there have been instances where students have been unfairly denied the right to bring in Bibles or to witness, but I would be willing to bet those are few and far between.

What people are not reading of my words is and I have to repeat myself. They get one on one attention from me. Which public schools can not provide.

In my county and in many others the schools are becoming more and more crowded, and budgets are being stretched to the limits while class size goes up and up. There is NO doubt in my mind that parents can and should be giving their children one on one attention whether they are home schooled or not. But if folks would take education more seriously we could hire the number of teachers that we really need and give students better attention.

I hear this too many times. If I have 30 students in a class that lasts 45 minutes (which is exactly what I have) that gives me 15 minutes to teach a lesson and 1 minute to spend with each child. ALL parents need to give extra attention. If I buy a $25k car, I don't send it to a mechanic for EVERY bit of maintainance that it needs. I am going to check the oil fluids on a regular basis, wash it, and do any other daily maintainance it needs as well as making sure that what the mechanic does has been done well. Why wouldn't we do that with our kids???

I am sure there are times when a child can best learn at home with their parent, as I am sure it is in AlwayJohnLaweryFan's case. But it is not always the best idea to pull a kid from public school everytime a child faces a problem in school.

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

crossways wrote

This is simply not true.

Oh really so you calling me a liar. Maybe not where you are that they are allowed. My niece got suspended thank you. Not trying to be mean but oh well... This topic is not worth it.

[Pethead1]

I will not get into this or that but I would like to say as for me and my kids Homeschool has proved to be the best way to go.

My 16 yearold is doing 9th grade work. Not much to talk about but for the fact thet the county schools here told mr he would never ket past 3rd grade on anything. "Christian" schools would not take him coz he was LD. So much for the church sticking togher.

Is homescool for every child? NO. But God and the parent need to be the ONLY ones to make that call. For us it is the best way to go. I know people who it is not.

[crossways]

Earlier in this thread I said that I had been home schooled for a year and later my younger sister was for a couple of years.

I am not against home schooling, but I get uncomfortable about the reasons I see some folks using to make the decision to pull their kids.

I also get VERY upset with Christians who constantanly berate public schools and their teachers.

There have been doctors who have killed patients -- but you don't quit going to them.

There have been pastors who have committed criminal acts -- it doesn't mean you stop going to church.

No doubt there are bad teachers and bad schools -- BUT you don't give up on the rest of us.

crossways wroteQuote:
This is simply not true.


Oh really so you calling me a liar. Maybe not where you are that they are allowed. My niece got suspended thank you. Not trying to be mean but oh well... This topic is not worth it.

No I am not calling you a liar. Please read my entire post. There is no legal reason that your child shouldn't be allowed to talk about Christ or have her Bible. I would like to know why the teacher suspended your daughter. There are usually two sides to every story.

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

Like I said this topic wasn't suppose to be debated just little friendly question and advise.

I know better next time I post something next time.


My daughter wasn't suspended. My niece was cause she was praying quietly and when she got through she was caught putting her bible in her locker. Had a principal who don't believe in God. She don't live in Georgia.

My daughter and son are being home schooled cause I don't want my kids corrupted by public schools. Public schools are not meant for my kids.


Plus my daughter's teacher was mean towards her.

[charl]

Really, not allowing children to pray privately is a violation of their freedoms, and if the issue is pushed, schools will probably back down. They know they don't have the jurisdiction to do this type of thing, but often get a little jumpy in trying to look politically correct. Parents of public schooled children do need to be involved and informed, and often that is all it takes to stop such silliness. One thing that does suck about public schools is the administration. Take the money that's being wasted on them and put it where it belongs-in the classroom!

I too am disturbed by the number of christians who think that homeschooling is the ONLY way. My father was a public school teacher for more than 30 years, and would still be doing it now if he weren't dying. He loved teaching and his students. Don't believe that the bad experiences are necessarily normative. Also do not forget that the public school system arose out of the Protestant belief in the importance of edutation for all. This is a distinctlyChristian concept.

To me this is just more silly division amongst christians-the same people who listen to modalist pators while reading books written by pelagians and open-theists. Oh but home schooling, now that's a real hill to die on!! I'm sure you all know what I think...Bah.

[Petra24]

I have worked in the public school system for 19 years and have been a Christian for 25. That said, a person cannot lump all public schools or private schools in to one big basket and say that they are wrong. To each his/her own. My children attend public school. My brother's children attend private. Doesn't make one better than the other.

Legally my son/daughter has the right to read the Bible and/or pray as long as it is not a disruption to the educational process. If a principal were to attempt to suspend him/her for said action they would be in for a serious debate (they might get in trouble since I am the Asst. Superintendent).

There are pros & cons to public ed, private ed and home school. I would not say all public schools/educators are of the devil. I would not assume that all private schools/teachers are of God. I would not assume that every home schooled student is recieving the best education.

Peace.

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

Disturbed about home schooling then that is you. I know what I am doing... I am doing what is best for my kids. I don't like public schools. As I said, my kids are not going to be corrupted in the public schools.

[charl]

The only question I would ask of you JohnLawryFan, is this:

Are the people who send their children to public schools disobedient to God or less virtuous christians than those who home school?

Many people would indeed affirm this-and they are simply flat out wrong. This is an issue where each personal situation must be taken into account.

No one is attacking your personal decision here, and this seems to be the thing you don't understand.

[Petra24]

JohnLawryFan,

I am not "disturbed" by homeschooling and certainly am not questioning your ability or your right to educate your children in the home. The point I was trying to make is that not all public schools are bad! I don't think it is fair to say that public school corrupts children any more than it is to say that television corrupts children/people. People could say that the internet corrupts due to pornography, etc. That is a blanket statement that is incorrect. I am not willing to go back to the "good old days" and throw out my TV or computer because there are inappropriate things that can be found within these devices.

I am saddened that someone in my profession would treat your young child or any child in such a poor manner. If that person worked in my district I would have issues with him/her. Educators should be in the business for children. If they are not then they should go to work in some other profession.

Peace

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

As I said this topic was not meant to be debated. Guess you didn't read what I said. But anyway, if yall want to talk yall can. I know what I am doing is right so have it all you want. By the way I am not trying to be mean so please don't think I am. I shouldn't have started this thread if I knew there was going to be a debate cause this is not world news.

[AlwaysJohnLawryFan]

Look, I am say this one last time... This topic is not a debate topic. If you want a debate go to world news forum. I should have not have started this or at least made a topic clearer so it won't get debated.

It was not just the teacher! I am a not mean person just little pfft cause you all don't read.... what I said about this not being aa debate. It was not suppose to turn out like this. So, I will pray on what topic I start from now on.
It wasn't all about the teacher. It is public schools in general. Everybody thinks public school is so good well that is your opinion. I don't believe that and not gonna convince me public schools are better.

Have anyone read what all I said cause it seems like you didn't. I said public schools can not give one on one attention. School teacher has a set time for each subject. Well I got all day long to be right on top of my kids making sure they gettin the right help, in every subject.


So this topic is through really when everybody trying to make it out to be a debate. I shouldn't even ask what you think about home school. I should just put a prayer request up and not even start this kind of heated topic again.