Answer this Greg Volz question

Preacherman777 · Post by **Preacherman777** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Would you be interested in having a John Schlitt concert at your church????

Unfortunately, the vast majority of the people in my church are elderly and so they probably wouldn't have much interest for the music of John or Petra.

BeReady · Post by **BeReady** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:00 pm

74CAPethead wrote:Not to make light of the issue discussed but?

I have a MORE important question for Pastor-Preacherman777 and Pastor-BeReady!!!

Would you be interested in having a John Schlitt concert at your church????

If we could afford it, I would do it in a heartbeat!! As a matter of fact, I've checked into it before. But by the time you factor in the costs of John's honorarium, travel/hotel/food expenses, the costs for sound, lighting and venue rental (our church has a very small sanctuary) it is just cost prohibitive for us at this time.

Re: your above posts. Preacherman777 and gman I am with you 100%.

AlwaysJohnLawryFan · Post by **AlwaysJohnLawryFan** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:50 am

No, it is not none of noone's business. Seems like noone has respect on here so no offense.

Greg is not accountable to us. He is in his own life and family. Some Christians feel like they have to get into people's business and being nosy bodies.

AlwaysJohnLawryFan · Post by **AlwaysJohnLawryFan** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:52 am

And if I get banned for my post oh well. I speak the truth. you guys should have respect and stop gettin into his business and stuff that doesn't concern you. He is not hurting none of u!!!!!

BForm · Post by **BForm** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:42 pm

O.K., I 've been watching this tennis match for some time now and finally decided to weigh in. I cannot say anything about Greg. I don't know the situation but I would hope he is under the authority of the elders of a local church who would oversee him in all spiritual matters.

However, I have a complete different take on situations like Amy Grants. Because of Amy's overwhelming popularity, her situation became a public debate. Amy herself got involved by doing numerous secular interviews in which she said some very damaging things. In the last interview I saw, 20/20, she basically laid it all out and left it at "hey, I was unhappy and what was I to do? I found my soul mate and how can I deny myself that".

No, those are not her exact words but the was definitely what she was saying. My issue is not with her mistakes but in her careless words regarding her defense. Millions of young adoring fans now have one of the Christian celebraties endorsing divorce for no other reason than personal happiness.

This is definitely a case where the Christian community should have stood up and said that they were pulling support for her work, not because of her failure, but because of the ongoing damage of what is essentially false teaching about marriage and divorce. For churches to bring her into their sanctuary with this attitude toward marriage is outrageous. Don't tell me she has ever repented. The closest thing to repentance I saw was "I'm sorry it bothered so many people." That's not repentance.

gman · Post by **gman** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:44 pm

I'm confused. Apparently if I had gotten all up in Greg's business, which is something I didn't do, I would be ignored. I thought I brought up some other issues relevant to the general topic of public ministry and divorce, but it sounds like I'm being thrown under the bus for being all up in Greg's business, which again is something I didn't do, because I know nothing about the situation. I didn't even know he was divorced till I opened this thread.
I aplogige if you were referring to someone else.

GMan

BForm · Post by **BForm** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:57 pm

Gman, I wasn't referring specifically to anything you said. I think I basically agree with you. Because I don't know Greg's situation, I cannot comment on it. I don't know if the situation would require public repentance or not.

For those of you who think all such matters should be dealt with quietly, consider the marriage vows. These vows, if biblically taken, are before God and "these witnesses". Marriage is a public covenant that does have public responsibilities if the covenant is broken. This responsibility is heightened if someone is in public ministry.

As for Greg's ministry, I may buy a product from him just like I may buy a product from Wal-Mart. However, if I were to donate money to his ministry, I would definitely want to know more about this situation as it would tell whether or not he deals with spritual failure (which we all have) biblically. BTW, King David dealt with his sin and did not continue to justify or cover it up.

brent · Post by **brent** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:38 pm

Ok people. Don't you think that the secrecy is justified? Maybe Greg's famly is tired of the limelight. Maybe there it helps some of the family by keeping it quiet. Maybe it protected Petra's ministry. Maybe it helps her ministry.

Why do you think a solo artist should rip his soul open for all to see? What business is it of yours, even if you buy a disc? How pompous. How about if the artists interview you the consumer to make sure that they are not living sinfully while listening to their music? It is the same thing.
Do you guys grill your friends that have had divroces, to make sure that you approve? Do you fail to associate with them? Where is the love?
Again, entertainers are not leaders of a church. They are held to the same standards that you are. Just because it happened and did not make the news, does not mean that God has not dealt with the situation, or that He isn't still dealing with them.

It's good to know that you all have a brother's back. Makes me wonder if hell wouldn't be cozier than the kingdom of God.

e5c4p3artist · Post by **e5c4p3artist** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:41 pm

brent wrote:Makes me wonder if hell wouldn't be cozier than the kingdom of God.

You really need me to give you the answer to that?

AlwaysJohnLawryFan · Post by **AlwaysJohnLawryFan** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:15 am

gman ,
I was not referring to you. I was talking about the ones who are being nosy about Greg. If anyone took of offense oh well. Just saddens me how some think they got to know Greg's business when it doesn't concern them.

If it happened years ago as I think it did. Then past is past. It also says in the bible, Don't look back. In the morning I will look up the scripture.

I am not trying to be mean just fed up a little.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:31 am

brent wrote:Ok people. Don't you think that the secrecy is justified? Maybe Greg's famly is tired of the limelight. Maybe there it helps some of the family by keeping it quiet. Maybe it protected Petra's ministry. Maybe it helps her ministry.

Why do you think a solo artist should rip his soul open for all to see? What business is it of yours, even if you buy a disc? How pompous. How about if the artists interview you the consumer to make sure that they are not living sinfully while listening to their music? It is the same thing.
Do you guys grill your friends that have had divroces, to make sure that you approve? Do you fail to associate with them? Where is the love?
Again, entertainers are not leaders of a church. They are held to the same standards that you are. Just because it happened and did not make the news, does not mean that God has not dealt with the situation, or that He isn't still dealing with them.

It's good to know that you all have a brother's back. Makes me wonder if hell wouldn't be cozier than the kingdom of God.

Brent,

They might be entertainers in your eyes and their eyes, but In God's eyes they are ministers. All I'm saying is that if they use God and their Chrisitan Faith in their pulpit or stage in this case, than they better have their house in order. IMO if all these CCM artists are in this to be just entertainers than they are in this for all the wrong reasons.

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 8:42 am

AlwaysJohnLawryFan wrote:No, it is not none of noone's business. Seems like noone has respect on here so no offense. Greg is not accountable to us. He is in his own life and family. Some Christians feel like they have to get into people's business and being nosy bodies.

I don't have to be in anyone's business, but if a CCM artist expects me to buy any of his products and go and support them through their concerts than I have a RIGHT to know if their house is in order.

AlwaysJohnLawryFan · Post by **AlwaysJohnLawryFan** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:44 am

You shouldn't worry about how Greg house is in order. Us christians should worry about our own.

To be nosy and getting into people's business is not how we should as christians. It is not christ like. Ok how would you like if I get nosy about all of your business? Wouldn't like it too much would you? Who are you to throw stones?

BForm · Post by **BForm** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:23 pm

Brent, I don't know if you were addressing any part of my post. I'm kind of agreeing with you on Greg. I can buy his music without really worrying too much about his personal life. Unless I were to really know the whole story, and I don't need to, I need to trust that to the authority of his local church and pray they handle the situation biblically. If I were to partner with him financially in his ministry, that is if he were to raise funds that way, then I would want to know more about whether or not his ministry dealt with human failures biblically or just held a "we're all sinners so we just brush it all under the table" approach.

As far as how I would handle a brother, or even my own son, I would again rely on the process outlined in scripture as administered through the authority of the local church. If the reason for the divorce was unjustified (sinful), then those closest to him need to address him first in love, then the leadership, then as a LAST resort in the case of an unrepentant heart, excommunication or, as the scriptures say, "have nothing to do" with the individual. By the way, this approach should also be used with gossipers, back biters or any other destructive behavior that becomes known.

In the eyes of men and the modern church, this approach seems too harsh. We think it would be best to take an "I'm gonna love and support him and be there whenever he needs me" approach. That may be the right approach with those who make no profession of faith, but scripture is clear on how to deal with those who claim the name of Christ and are blatantly living otherwise. Even Paul refers to "handing them over to Satan" for the destruction of the flesh. In the instance Paul addresses, it was the action of the church against the man that the Holy Spirit used to bring about repentance.

Just my thoughts. I pray almost daily that God would enlighten me in any area where I am not handling the sriptures properly.

Preacherman777 · Post by **Preacherman777** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 2:32 pm

I'm sorry but Brent and AJLF are showing with every post they make that they do not understand the scriptures where it comes to this issue.

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Answer this Greg Volz question

Re: Question for Preacherman777 & BeReady

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