GMA Week

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:32 pm

He. Well, I'm not going to argue about ladies liking to gab more...

It isn't always possible for families to travel together; that's when phones and computers come in handy. It can be difficult and cause a lot of problems for families to be apart because someone travels a lot.

greenchili · Post by **greenchili** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:05 pm

LOL I was trying to avoid using the "D" word earlier. For obvious reasons.

Anyways all I can say is I know what you mean. I'm always trying to get something to make things easier for me. Sad thing is, it's mostly hobby related anyways.

But anything that requires good verbal communication skills I just leave up to my wife. She just has this gift for getting people to listen to her (most of the time).

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:16 am

Historymaker wrote:... Showcases are not very difficult to book or get on board with here in Nashville during GMA week... even my old band Kainos had a showcase scheduled (until once again, their whole band vamoosed on them... oops!)

Ouch. Should there be a

or maybe a

there?

Historymaker · Post by **Historymaker** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 7:28 pm

I'd probably say the latter, the little bug-eyed guy.

I can imagine it's tough being new to music and not really knowing how to manage a band or how to clearly and specifically define the boundaries of your ministry or vision. I certainly don't want to trash my old band, as I learned a lot, had a job I for the most part enjoyed, and was able to begin making a living as a musician. I'm simply acknowledging that it must be difficult when a record deal suddenly thrusts you from basically a garage duet to touring with hired, professional musicians and in venues alongside industry veterans. A lot has to change VERY quickly in a short amount of time, otherwise it's very easy to be WAY in over one's head.

Apparently, such being the gist of my remark, there has been a delay in adapting or adhering to practices that not only create a welcome environment for musicians to help them carry out their vision (whatever that may be), but also those that clearly and specifically define the involvement of said musicians (i.e. hired guns, backing band, actual band MEMBERS with creative input, income supported, volunteer basis, etc.). Their most recent band was intact for all of two months. Of course, in their defense, it can be really tough to keep a band together in a perfect world.

Playing with Carman is relatively easier as my objectives and roles have been clearly conveyed to me from the beginning. Carman is a solo artist, and I play in his live band. Piece of cake and I'm having a blast...

greenchili · Post by **greenchili** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:06 pm

Carman has a live band? That's cool. I never liked it when artists just tour with tracks. Which I know he has done in the past.

Sure it's more expensive, but it provides a better experience for the audience.

brent · Post by **brent** » Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:00 pm

I was first exposed to the Carman experience (and it is one to be around) back when Carman was first getting started. He used to be based out of Tulsa in the old days. I saw Carman go from everyday cat to big flashy international guy.

The sound contractor company that I worked for helped design and install his south Tulsa residence based board room, VO studio, and swmming pool sound system. Carman, his old pastor Bishop Carlton Pearson and other Word artists used to grace the studio where I worked.

Let me tell you something. Carman is many things. But I can tell you as sure as I am sitting here now, that he treats people well, has a high production standard and publically conducts himself responsibly. He is not everyone's cup of tea personally, no different than any of us there.

In the old days, Carman had a band AND tracks. He carried around multiple 24 track analog and digital multitracks. The band was there for visual impact. Most of his band in the old days came from Higher Dimesions Church, and Grace Fellowship. One of my aquaintances did a stint as an engineer for him as well. Carman was one of the first Christian artists to get on the Apogee speaker band wagon. Apogee was relatively expensive back then, and they definately had a sound that set a benchmark for Christian production, especially artist-owned, in-house prodcution.

He has since moved on to Nashville, LA to do movies, etc, etc. From what I understand the concept is still the same. Tracks are still in use today, and the band is eye candy. Is that right? What do you play in Carman's band Historymaker?

Historymaker · Post by **Historymaker** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:53 am

Eye candy? Ooooh, I feel so cheap and tawdry... as if there's no use for me beyond my staggering good looks. But hey, if being professionally good looking like Derek Zoolander is my lot, I accept it.

Seriously though, I play keyboards with Carman. We've actually been touring with a drummer, myself, and a guitar player. Yes, and I know this may disappoint Greenchili, but as Brent correctly pointed out, Carman still uses tracks. After talking with him and his manager, we've found that he always has, and always will. I wouldn't say that the band is simply eye candy in its entirety. We are live and through the house, with our corresponding parts brought down in the track mix, and I suppose that's to more or less AUGMENT the tracks with live keys, guitars, and drums so it has more of the live show feel overall. And for me, I also fill in space and dead air with keys / piano between songs and when Carman is talking / preaching. Brent, if that's your definition of eye candy, then eye candy is what we are.

But I'll tell you what... he sure invests the money to make sure his eye candy can play the heck out of their instruments. Dave Graef used to play with Michael Jackson and will soon be rehearsing with Reba... Many people here are familiar with Justin Johnson and know that he's quite a bit more than just a solid drummer. I guess I was fortunate enough to slip in under the radar in the keyboard proficiency department...

At any rate, if it was all eye candy, he could handle our posts the same way he handles the bassist position, and enlist one at every church to come on stage and play with us on a volunteer basis. Now THAT'S eye candy because the bassist is not allowed to have an amp rig and must run direct line in... which leaves him completely at the mercy of our house and monitor engineers, who may crank his monitor, but will completely omit him from the house mix. Oh, and he uses the choir at every church as well.

So anyway, if that's how he was doing it in the old days, he's still doing it that way today.

Let me tell you something. Carman is many things. But I can tell you as sure as I am sitting here now, that he treats people well, has a high production standard and publically conducts himself responsibly. He is not everyone's cup of tea personally, no different than any of us there.

This is probably one of the best, most accurate, concise written depictions of Carman that I have ever read. He actually lives in Florida now and travels up here to Nashville to meet us for the bus calls. We're heading out on Wednesday and will be gone for over three weeks, which fortunately is the exception in duration, not the rule. Usually runs are only about 8 to 10 days, much more easy on the family guy working as professional eye candy...

executioner · Post by **executioner** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:24 pm

The healing practices that Carmen does or did in years pasts are simply FRAUD!

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:36 pm

Now, now Exe, what are you basing that on? I don't think we should make statements on a message board about someone being a fraud without evidence to back it up. Have you worked with him, or been to any of his concerts? I can say with a reasonable amount of confidence that I do know Ryan wouldn't be working with someone who is a fraud.

Like Brent pointed out, he may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't make him a fraud.

greenchili · Post by **greenchili** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:42 pm

Interesting.. The only video taped Carman concert that I know of that has a "eye candy live band"

is Comin' on strong. So I'll have to take a look a that one again with a new perspective.

Well at least he doesn't do a vanilla manilla (or whatever the name of that group was). Or does he?

Anyways I always lump Carman in that part of Christianity that I know exists but that I do not always agree with. That does not mean I hate or dislike him, actually I find him amusing and like to listen to him for fun. But I do take some of his showmanship with a grain of salt.

In other words just because I occasionally listen to him does not mean I approve of or agree with everything he does/say's. Now if he was a complete schmuck, well then that'd be a different story.

sue d. · Post by **sue d.** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:45 am

Like Brent pointed out, he may not be everyone's cup of tea, but that doesn't make him a fraud.

I think that Exe is saying Carman's ACTIONS were fraudulent, which I guess does mean he himself is a fraud in that respect.

Out of curiosity, just what did he do as far as healing?

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