John Brown Bannister

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 7:17 pm

I just read some information about David Bannister on a link from guide to petra.

This guy is an anti-Jew. His views on World War II and the Holocuast are disturbing. As a Christian I wouldnt want my album produced by him. I dont care how many artist have gone to him.

Plus the organization hes involved in The Christian Identity Faith. Its racist..anti-semetic..

Then there an excerpt that states petra didnt have anything to do with this.That court case happened in 1990. WakeUp call was produced by him in 93..How can Petra justify thier material being produced by a man with these views...

Godbless to all here

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 8:04 pm

You're confusing Brown Bannister with Jonathan David Brown amigo, and he worked with the guys many years ago. It's actually been awhile since Brown Bannister worked with them too.

Careful about making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:03 pm

Shell wrote:You're confusing Brown Bannister with Jonathan David Brown amigo, and he worked with the guys many years ago. It's actually been awhile since Brown Bannister worked with them too.

Careful about making assumptions and jumping to conclusions.

Ohh man, my apologies to brown bannister and for what I said about Petra.

Corval · Post by **Corval** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:21 am

HELP me

The Grg Volz era was produced basically by Jhonathan Dvaid Brown

But Brown Bannister produces only "WAKE-UP CALL"
sO, Who is the ant-JEW?

I am a little bit confused

Artur

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 11:43 am

This is all pretty much old history from way back in the 1980s; not much sense in rehashing it now. I remember reading an article about Jonathan David Brown a very long time ago, but I don't remember all the circumstances, it's been too long. Best put it in the "past and done with" file.

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:25 pm

Corval wrote:HELP me

The Grg Volz era was produced basically by Jhonathan Dvaid Brown

But Brown Bannister produces only "WAKE-UP CALL"
sO, Who is the ant-JEW?

I am a little bit confused

Artur

It was a mistake on my part...I thought Wake Up Call was produced by John David Brown..

Brown Bannister Produced Wake Up Call, your correct..

John David Brown..from what I read in the article is anti-jew....He said that The killing of Jews during WWII is a lie..

Just wanted to clear that up

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 2:06 pm

Outcast4him wrote:
Corval wrote:HELP me

The Grg Volz era was produced basically by Jhonathan Dvaid Brown

But Brown Bannister produces only "WAKE-UP CALL"
sO, Who is the ant-JEW?

I am a little bit confused

Artur
It was a mistake on my part...I thought Wake Up Call was produced by John David Brown..

Brown Bannister Produced Wake Up Call, your correct..

John David Brown..from what I read in the article is anti-jew....He said that The killing of Jews during WWII is a lie..

Just wanted to clear that up

I have q question is Brown Bannister a person or a company.....

Why did he only produce one Petra album...I mean Wake Up Call was a hit and won awards...

How are producers picked by the label

separateunion · Post by **separateunion** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:06 pm

Brown Banister is a person. I know he did a lot of work with Carman during the 90s, but I don't know much else of what he has done.

Petra only worked with him on one album because they were trying to change things up a little bit. They had worked with the Elefantes for nearly a decade, and they felt the need for a change to try and mix things up in the studio a little bit. I don't know why they never worked with him again after Wake-Up Call, but I think it has to do with the fact that Bannister wasn't really a rock producer and Wake-Up Call didn't turn out quite the way Petra wanted it to. Plus, they probably wanted to work with the Elefantes again.

As far as choosing a producer, I don't know a whole lot about it (maybe someone who knows more could give a little better insight here), but I think that usually the band or artist picks a producer based on how they want the album to end up sounding.

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 4:42 pm

separateunion wrote:Brown Banister is a person. I know he did a lot of work with Carman during the 90s, but I don't know much else of what he has done.

Petra only worked with him on one album because they were trying to change things up a little bit. They had worked with the Elefantes for nearly a decade, and they felt the need for a change to try and mix things up in the studio a little bit. I don't know why they never worked with him again after Wake-Up Call, but I think it has to do with the fact that Bannister wasn't really a rock producer and Wake-Up Call didn't turn out quite the way Petra wanted it to. Plus, they probably wanted to work with the Elefantes again.

As far as choosing a producer, I don't know a whole lot about it (maybe someone who knows more could give a little better insight here), but I think that usually the band or artist picks a producer based on how they want the album to end up sounding.

Petra didnt like the way Wake Up Call turned out. It was a Grammy and a Dove award for best Rock Goispel album...Did it not to well in sales

Corval · Post by **Corval** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 7:17 pm

Shell

Sorry

I do not listen petra in Greg Volz era..I was a child...

Sorry if I mix in old things....

Artur

Shell · Post by **Shell** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:23 pm

I was pretty young myself Artur.

That was a long time ago. Don't worry about it. They've worked with a lot of people over the years.

separateunion · Post by **separateunion** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:17 pm

Petra didnt like the way Wake Up Call turned out. It was a Grammy and a Dove award for best Rock Goispel album...Did it not to well in sales

Just because an album does well doesn't necessarily mean the band likes it. Maybe the band was shooting for something different than the ultimate outcome of the album. In the Petra Devotional, Bob says that Petra wasn't satisfied with what Wake-Up Call ended up being.

Outcast4him · Post by **Outcast4him** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 6:47 am

separateunion wrote:
Petra didnt like the way Wake Up Call turned out. It was a Grammy and a Dove award for best Rock Goispel album...Did it not to well in sales
Just because an album does well doesn't necessarily mean the band likes it. Maybe the band was shooting for something different than the ultimate outcome of the album. In the Petra Devotional, Bob says that Petra wasn't satisfied with what Wake-Up Call ended up being.

I understand that. Does Bob mention at any length what his disatisfaction was with the album

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:04 am

Brown Bannister was a pretty important producer in early CCM. I believe he produced some of the early albums by... dare I utter the name in this Holy Place

... no, I won't say her name (fear of retribution, I've got a wife and kids, etc etc etc) but her initials are "Amy Grant." He produced her early albums and those of many other artists in the 80's (and I think 70's) and made quite an impact on the CCM scene back then.

The Jonathan David Brown thing is ancient history by now... even the interview is ancient history (Sue D. did it long, long ago). JDB is a pleasant guy, very friendly, with some seriously wacky religious views in my opinion. He also had quite an impact on CCM in the 70's and 80's as well. You can read the whole interview that started this debate at http://www.guidetopetra.com/JDB/ if you like, but do remember that Bob always kept, as I understand it, pretty tight control over song content and selection. I don't think we have to look for some hidden weirdness in the JDB-era Petra. And it would be good to realize that Petra was not espeically "on the way up" before JDB took over production duties; we can thank him for helping create some of the albums that helped Petra stay around to the present day.

separateunion · Post by **separateunion** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 4:56 pm

I understand that. Does Bob mention at any length what his disatisfaction was with the album

According to The Petra Devotional, Petra went about attempting to change their sound starting with Unseen Power.

Here's what Bob says about Wake-Up Call:

"The desire for change and the need to work at home in a studio in Nashville instead of California, where John and Dino [the Elefantes] resided, led us to Brown Bannister as a producer. It was a risk on our part, because Brown was no known as a rock producer and had not worked with many bands. We were late getting started and had firm deadlines to meet, which resulted in a rushed product again. Wake Up-Call had many great moments, but what we hoped would be the end in our search for change became just another step in the process."

Also, the No Doubt section says something about the Elefantes having relocated to Nashville and that being the reason that Petra decided to work with them again.

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