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Post by MJanke » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:49 am

LexingtonPethead wrote:MJanke, that's a very big IF and a very tall order. Are you being hypothetical here?... it doesn't seem logical to me. The bands you are referring to are not outwardly Christian in their music, so why would they be in concert? Kids who go to these concerts aren't going to lead themselves to Christ!
See, that's the thing. It's NOT a big if; it's what I've been trying to illustrate here - ministry takes place all the time and it can be totally independant of any worship/vertical lyrics about God. Because the band LIVES it.

I'll give you examples. These are direct testominies from kids who have had their lives changed by God, through POD. Taken from their offical fan club website (edited because of the long length of some of them):

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So I did come to the next P.O.D. concert that I could find and sonny was talking to the crowd on this one. I tried to get ahold of him, but I wasn't able to. I heard him talking and I was like, wow, how did he get to be so sure about what he thought and beleived about things? I asked around and found a group of people who said they knew why he was like that. I asked, and they said because he's a christian. "Seriously?" I said. They said yeah. I was thinking, WOW, if these guys can be christian and sound that good, ya know, maybe there IS something in this god-thing. And I got saved that night at the P.O.D. concert. Interesting. I slowly and surely got off of drugs and alcohol and am now drug free an 100% sober. I still like KoRn because I do know what they sing about is true, but I'm glad that P.O.D. is touring with them, maybe JD, munky, david, and head and fieldy will find that yes...what they sing is true, but there's also a way out of it. P.O.D.....thank you guys. And you too sonny....God bless. I'll pray for you. Jesus Freak-- I'll be a freak for life, death, and eternity!

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they're just people, no different from you or from me, but they love the Lord and they don't take any of the credit for how far they have gotten. they give it all to God. It was really neat to talk to them and see that they are people, they are human, they are just like me. they are real. but God in them shines through so brightly and that's what makes them special. some people that I�ve talked to in the past have passed judgements on POD because of the style of music that they play- hardcore rap. but when I�ve talked to these people I�ve explained to them how their judgements were falsely accused. by taking a look at the lyrics in their songs it is so obvious who they are living for. God. and there's no way that anyone can deny that. when you talk to them you can actually see God in them and that's why I look up to those guys. they have showed me through their music and their lifestyle what it is to walk the walk with God. they have encouraged me to walk the walk and to daily be in prayer with God. I pray for those guys EVERY day that they won't forget the reason for living, and I know that they won't forget. in a sense- although some may disagree- POD are missionaries. missionaries to the tons of teenagers who listen to hardcore rap. that style of music is becoming more popular each and everyday, and POD knows how to hit home. they have been through a lot and they have experience with life. there songs can really reach out and touch people. I know they have to me. I thank God for those guys

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But then, POD got on stage. I don't know....I'm really at a loss for words. God was in that place. I could feel it. Sonny talked to the crowd, and he was so sincere. POD's songs moved me so much. It was incredible. Sonny kind of did an alter call, and asked those people who were lost to come down and talk to someone. I didn't look to see if anyone went down, but I didn't. I was scared. I wanted to talk to the guys from the bands, or maybe even the guys from POD, but my chance was up....I had to get home. So I left, but the feeling I had throughout that concert didn't go away. When I got home, I just sat in the living room and cried. I cried because I was frustrated at myself and my life. I cried because I wanted what my brother had. I cried because I wanted what those kids had. And I cried because I wanted what those bands had. I cried because I wanted Jesus. So, having gone to church, and being very familiar with how to turn over your life to God (although I don't think there is a "right" or "wrong" way, as long as you are sincere), I got down on my knees to pray. Somehow I just didn't feel low enough to ask God for forgiveness. I mean, knowing what being a Christian is about and having grown up in a church, there had been times in my life when I had looked God in the face and laughed. So I laid down on my stomach...and still not feeling like I was bowing far enough down to face God...I prayed. I prayed with a desperation I'd never felt before. For almost three hours, I wept and confessed my sins to him. I tried not to umbrella the sins I admitted, but I don't know if I could ever confess them all...so I did my best and finally I felt a release. God moved through my soul. I felt him! I still feel him. It's like my heart is beating twice as strong. I've never felt that close to God in my life. I give a lot of credit for what happened that night to POD. Of course, ALL the glory goes to God. But, he couldn't have chosen a better vessel to reveal himself to me than that band. I opened my ears to them, and I opened my heart to Sonny's prayers.

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I have definitely been blessed to have found out about this band called P.O.D.. Them as well as their music has helped and challenged me so much. Whenever I'm feeling down, angry, frustrated, depressed, excited, happy, or whatever else I can just put on a P.O.D. CD and things just seem to be put into perspective. It's strange how I can be feeling a certain way and then listen to a P.O.D. song and they will be talking about the exact same things I'm feeling. They have definitely been given an amazing gift by the Almighty.

God has and is definitely using P.O.D. in my life, if it weren't for them and what God has done through them, I don't know where I would be. Things would be much different, I imagine. Because of P.O.D. I have been inspired to pick my guitar back up and begin playing it again, perhaps more seriously than ever. Because of P.O.D., I have been inspired to be a shining light for the Lord like never before. They have shown me that you don't have to conform to what the world or anyone else thinks you should be and also that you don't have to preach at people, all you have to do is love them. Love them the way God loves them, and they'll see something different in you. They'll see Christ in you're life and begin seeking that for themselves.


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In 1999, I saw POD on MTV talking about their faith and how they loved Jesus. To see POD professing their beliefs on TV was an inspiration to me. I could really see how much love they had for Christ. I thought, "These guys are so down to earth and so real about their faith." I watched the video and I thought their music was cool so I bought their album, listened to the lyrics, and became aware of just how much they loved Jesus. It opened my mind and my curiosity about Christ. So I started asking a lot of questions about God and Jesus. My mom was going to a church, but didn't make me go. She said it was up to me. I asked her if I could go with her because I wanted to know about Jesus. I started attending church and continued to listen to POD. My love and awareness of what Christ did for me grew as I listened to POD more frequently and attended church regularly. I was aware of just how much He loved me, to give His life for me. So I accepted him as my Savior and was baptized.

To this day, POD still have a boldness about them. No matter where they are, or who they are being interviewed by, they are strong about their love and beliefs. I heard about their interview with Howard Stern so I watched it and even there they were bold and strong. They never changed how they felt about Christ. After seeing all this and listening to them, I began to really dig deep into my Bible. I wanted to see Christ the way POD did and have that radiance about my faith and love for Christ. As I began reading the Bible, I saw what POD was talking and singing about. God loved us enough to give us his only Son and through Him we are saved (John 3:16).

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I remember one day watching TV, and a music video called �Alive� by a band I knew a little about called P.O.D. I knew they were singing about God, and I was disgusted by it, their happiness, but in the back of my mind I wondered how God could make them so happy. Time went by, and I went to college, and there I meet the first part of my future. I meet a lovely girl, who became a good friend, and who was a Christian. She told me about God and Jesus, things I have never heard before, the true love of God, peace of the soul, and most importantly forgiveness. She herself was struggling with her faith; due to a certain disease she was experiencing, and unfortunately will always be experiencing to the Lord brings her home. We became boy friend and girl friend, and soon after I got saved, God brought us together for a purpose for me to get saved, and to set her on a straight path once again. To this day we still live for God, like everyone else we fall sometimes and struggle, but the good Lord always lifts us up in dark times.

After becoming a believer in Christ, I looked for music, music filled with a passion for God. What I found on my search was a band called P.O.D. A band I use to loath, but now are my favorite band that I love. It�s incredible to see how God turns around people, to see and witness how much he cares. Sometimes we are impatient but God always delivers at the most perfect of times. I thank God for P.O.D for planting those seeds in me. And their witness, and their music, motivates me daily. My soul finally knows peace, thank you sweet Jesus.

God bless you all
Your brother in Christ
Josh

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He said, "Hey man you like Rage Against the Machine don't you?" I agreed and he said, "then man you got to listen to this new band I found, they're called P.O.D., you'll love them...take this cd home and tell me what you think." I gave the usual smart-elic remark about Christian music, but when I put this cd in my cd player I was changed instantly. The music was just beautiful...I had never heard anything like it in my entire life! But most of all I heard acceptance. I heard, "you know...I don't care what music you listen to, or what you look like...I love you like God loves you!"

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I remember seeing them on TRL when the video for "Rock the Party" came out... didn't think much about them.. liked the song. So time passed and I kind of forgot who they were. Then I heard Alive on the radio in 2001 when the album came out approximately. I really liked the song, but still didn't really care enough to go buy the freakin album. So months later, I heard Youth of the Nation on the radio again... and again heard Alive. This time however, I heard it in a different way. Maybe it's because I learned to play guitar a few months before. So finally, after much debate, I went and picked up the album. Needless to say, I'm surprised I haven't worn it out by now because I've listened to it so much. Anyway, so I really liked everything on it, and soon became a pretty big fan. When the DVD came out last year, I went out and bought it within a week. (Just watched it yesterday haha) And I just really loved Wuv. He's such an awesome drummer that I couldn't help but think "wow I want to be that good someday." So then I kept liking them, and became an even bigger fan as time went by. So I went through a pretty rough time around the time I bought Satellite and let's just say I wasn't a very happy person. Depression is not a fun thing to have, and there wasn't anyone I could talk to who'd understand. so I turned into someone that I wish I could forget... I thought bout killing myself a few times... yet somehow when I listened to P.O.D., I felt a little better.

Now a little known fact (only to friends and some family), I was one of the people who won the contest a few weeks ago to meet P.O.D. at the club in LA. the one that said "wanna hang with p.o.d." or whatnot. So I met them FINALLY after loving them for a while. I couldn't believe that I'd won, and when it came time to actually go up and talk to them, I acted a fool. I was so freakin nervous. But you know what? THEY WERE SO NICE. LIKE UNBELIEVABLY nice. they didn't even know me or anything and yet they wanted to talk to me... jeez, Wuv even gave me a hug! I didn't ask for anything! I just wanted to give them their little presents I made them. (Little paintings about 3x5 in acrylic with Chinese characters for different things.) So I met them. And I did a painting about a year ago of my interpretation artistically of "Bullet the Blue Sky." So I brought it... SONNY SIGNED IT and Wuv signed it.. didn't get to Traa and Truby but nonetheless. and I felt really good. because sonny seemed to really like it. so all I have to say is this: they helped me see the good in life... helped me come back from a place I didn't know I could come back from. And meeting them made it even better. It brought back my faith in humanity.. it brought back my faith into human nature- that people can be nice just because they want to be nice. SO GOD BLESS YOU GUYS! WUV, SONNY, TRAA, TRUBY CHANGED MY LIFE AND I HOPE THEY CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR EACH ONE OF YOU. one love and god bless! -Kate "sushi" Davis ~~LA CALI!!!~~

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Ok I hope some people read this to see what POD did for me. Before I found POD I was atheist. I wasn't happy, and I didn't have too many friends. I felt like an outcast. I was the only skater in a prep school. Everyone made fun of my clothes and my choice of music. I loved KoRn, Limp Bizkit, Kid Rock, and all the others. I wasn't christian at all. All the people that tried to convert me really made me mad. They still do. They where adults that said "IF YOU DONT FIND JESUS YER GONNA DIE!" It was horrible. One day on my spring break, i turned on the TV to MTV. My TV doesn't get a clear image for a couple of seconds after turning it on, but you can hear. I thought it was a KoRn video or something. My TV cleared up, and it definately wasnt. The song was awsome! When the video ended, I saw it was "Southtown" by "POD". I immediately went upstairs and started lookin on the internet for the band. They where AWSOME! I found a site, and it talked about them being a christian band. I didn't get it. Later on I decided to by the CD. I loved the cover! It made me think about what it ment. So i listened to the music, and i realized that this was something I could understand. They talked about christianity in something I could understand, music. Good music. Hardcore rock music! I really got interested in christianity. There song "Outkast" made me feel a little bit more special. I realized at school that when I walked alone with hardly any friends, that i was special. No one else was like me. It made me feel better about everything. Now my life is completely different, yet to everyone else, I am still the same. I am that weird kid with the baggy pants, but inside I have changed. Now POD is one of my favorite bands. My favorite band of all time is still KoRn, of course, and I'm really excited about KoRn and POD touring together! Now I am active in the discussion boards at payableondeath.com, and i love to post my poetry. Because of POD, I feel alot better.
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:16 am

Well shiver me timbers, MJanke!! Thank you for taking the time to make the retrieval. I'll be the first to admit this is something I needed to see.

I guess it would take going to a POD concert to understand where the ministry comes into play, which I probably won't do, so I'll have to take it on faith that I don't need to understand how it happens, just that it does.

You probably already know this, but there are a LOT of people out there asking if POD is really a Christian band. Many people are confused about their beliefs.

I hope the other bands out there are making a similar impact. :D
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Post by MJanke » Thu Jan 15, 2004 1:23 am

LexingtonPethead wrote:I hope the other bands out there are making a similar impact. :D
As do I :)
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Post by Petrapraise » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:48 am

It's all in the intent of the heart..."Who's On The Lord's Side".
Pray for them, that they don't get the "Backslidin' Blues"
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Post by winterlens » Thu Jan 15, 2004 12:08 pm

If I could make a not-so-brief observation (good to see you here, Mike, by the way) ....


For starters, it seems to me that "Christian band" is a label that carries with it an evangelical focus, at least to the secular arena. We obviously realize that there are different arenas of Christian music--Petra has been criticized in the past for not having a more purely evangelical focus (almost assuming that the audience is Christian).

To escape the view that they're out to convert people, some bands acknowledge their Christian roots but don't have an evangelical vision. These are "Christians in a band." I think this group is actually pretty small, compared to a third group. One such artist is Jeff Johnson, who makes absolutely no bones about his beliefs, but does not produce evangelical albums (http://www.arkmusic.com).

The third group is composed of bands that are merely spiritual, not Christian. U2 and Creed seem to fall into this category--hence the raging debate about whether they're really Christian or not.


I think part of the problem with the discussion is that we are unwilling to leave the second category alone; since they are in the public eye, we want to turn them into evangelical tools rather than allowing them to do their own thing.

Another part is that we expect CCM to be evangelical. This causes so many problems right away that it's difficult to really make any progress.

For starters, our idea of evangelism is not biblical. The great commission has only one command: not to go, not to baptize, but to disciple. (The word "go" is actually the aorist participle "going". The ISV translates it, "As you go, ....")

CCM, it seems, is more concerned about reaching people than actually ensuring that they are growing in their newfound faith--and that is a travesty of the great commission. And historically, the mainstream church has been reluctant to integrate CCM into their missions budget. (Can you imagine your church putting Petra into the missions budget?)

Yet another problem is that our understanding of the content of the gospel is incorrect, or at least incomplete. I think this explains why some people are apt to treat "positive messages" as evangelical and others realize that it's actually Satan's way of replacing the gospel. (I don't mean to knock positive music; I just want people to call it what it is.)


And then there is Petra, something of an anomaly. They are attempting to play in a younger market (musically) with meatier lyrics (I'll grant you that the style may seem simple, but the concepts are weighter than you'll get from, say, Relient K's "Marylin Manson Ate My Girlfriend").

The music distances those with a more mature outlook on life (the adults), while their age hampers connections with a younger audience. Their lyrics simply don't fit preferred "I'm 16, I'm angry at my father and the world" listeners. (Apologies to The Rock.) At the same time, they can't cross over to the mainstream because their lyrics are too Christian.

Translation: young music with old lyrics equals little success, mainstream or Christian.


I've tried to keep the soapboxing to a minimum; I hope I succeeded (because I edited a LOT before posting).
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Post by executioner » Thu Jan 15, 2004 2:40 pm

I really think they can clean up their words a little bit. Saying foul words are wrong in public or in your private living quarters, but I think we have a duty to keep ourselves clean of that in public. You don't realize it but everybodys watching. That is why I don't buy their material.
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:23 pm

Exe, who is using foul language? A band?
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Post by Shell » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:57 pm

He's probably talking about U2 and/or Creed. :) And I do agree that bad language isn't a good thing, but their backgrounds may play a part in that.

It's only by the grace of God I'm not a total trash mouth; my grandfather and uncles were, and I was around them a lot when I was a kid. My mom actually was too. That was more when I was younger too, she's not so bad now, but that was something she learned from her dad. Add being Scotch-Irish to that and it's a wonder I'm not getting my mouth washed out with soap every hour of the day, LOL.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, bad habits like being a trash mouth are learned and can be hard to break; you have to be willing to let God do His work and change your bad habits.
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Post by executioner » Thu Jan 15, 2004 4:17 pm

POD, U2, and Creed. I know two of them claim not to be Christian bands, but POD has used foul words on stage and in interviews; In my mind and heart that inexcusable.
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Post by separateunion » Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:43 pm

but POD has used foul words on stage and in interviews; In my mind and heart that inexcusable.
There has been a lot of debate as to whether these are rumors, the band was misrepresented, or actually happened. I've never actually read a P.O.D. interview where they've sworn. Got any links for that exe?
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:54 pm

I have heard Creed swear in at least one song... and it was the "GD" word of all things. It is in the chorus in one of their albums. Up to that point, I thought they were Christians. That song gave me a dose of reality.

U2 -- I have never considered to be Christian. Spiritual, yes. Christian, no.

It's interesting, though, that we're hearing about these incidences involving POD. Especially hearing about it in this thread after all the lengthy dialogue we just had. We all have our faults, but I agree that if we are in the ministry or perceived to be in the ministry, this kind of carelessness is indefensible. I'm just gonna say that they will be held accountable for what they do... good and bad.

Whether this is true or just a rumor, I'm sure it plays a part in why POD's faith is questioned by so many Christians, and why discussions keep popping up like we've seen in this thread.
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Post by Jackie » Thu Jan 15, 2004 6:48 pm

i haven't read the entirety of these super long posts ............... is U2 not a christian band? so what?!? they rock!
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Post by Shell » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:02 pm

Are you trying to say a band is responsible for it if someone starts a rumor or it's their fault if they're misrepresented or misquoted, David? Seems to me the person who started the rumors or did the misrepresenting or misquoting is the one at fault. Clarify please sir.

That is part of the reason gossip and rumors are so destructive, it's next to impossible to get to the source and make things right once it gets started.
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Post by winterlens » Thu Jan 15, 2004 7:25 pm

Let me try to be more concise:

Image matters less than content. Content is determined by the band, not by our perception of the band.

Whether or not a band curses or uses language that might be acceptable to the audience on the whole is by far less important than whether or not it proclaims Jesus Christ and him crucified.

_That_ is the bottom line. If some kid goes to a POD show and finds out what God has done for him, even if Marcus drops the F-bomb a few times, I'm all for it. If a kid goes to an MWS concert and comes away feeling good, but without a renewed appreciation for the person and work of Jesus Christ, then I'm against that.

Our perverse concentration on how they live their lives seriously distracts from the necessary discussion we should be having about whether the message they proclaim is really the gospel or not.

(And if they have confessed that they do not intend to spread the gospel, then we shouldn't really discuss it at all.)
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Thu Jan 15, 2004 9:51 pm

Shell wrote:Are you trying to say a band is responsible for it if someone starts a rumor or it's their fault if they're misrepresented or misquoted, David? Seems to me the person who started the rumors or did the misrepresenting or misquoting is the one at fault. Clarify please sir.
Shell, I'm assuming you're directing your question to me. And my response is I agree with what you're saying above.

Like I said, the rumors about POD swearing may or may not be true. If it is fallacy, then certainly the band is not at fault. Just like I can't control what people on this board think or say about me.

If it's usually a rough crowd who attends POD concerts, maybe people have started these rumors by assuming the band swears like the people who attend their concerts. That's just my theory. I don't attend POD concerts, so I really don't know.

MJanke might be able to expound on this. He seems to know more about POD than anyone who has posted in this thread so far.
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