This thread cannot be ignored!!!

[Kirkman]

The law is that you are allowed to copy, but you are not allowed to earn a profit of any kind off their material.

Not exactly. You are allowed to copy for your OWN personal use. You are not allowed to copy, and then give that copy to a friend.

Sure, you didn't make a profit... but the copy you gave to someone else deprived the band and the record company of a sale of their album.

That is why I have a BIG problem with these Record Companies because they are using these artists to make BIG money and are not giving the artist their due.

That is an entirely different debate, and doesn't have much to do with copying/downloading.

[PetfanInCt]

Not exactly. You are allowed to copy for your OWN personal use. You are not allowed to copy, and then give that copy to a friend.

That is bogus. You bought it and you own it but you cant help out a friend or family member.

[Shell]

Okay, so you would want to help out a family member or friend. But I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by your reasoning. Why would want to take copyrighted material from a band you like if you really want to help people?

You're wrong here friend, and I hope you see that before you get into trouble.

[LexingtonPethead]

That is bogus. You bought it and you own it but you cant help out a friend or family member.

In other words, you think it's okay to buy CDs and then make copies to pass out to your friends and family.

That's assinine. You're stealing from the band, and you're breaking the law.

It's the same thing as buying your CD off the shelf and then lining your pockets with 4 or 5 more to give to your friends.

If you're really doing this, then you're flat-out stealing.

[PetfanInCt]

Okay, so you would want to help out a family member or friend. But I must admit I'm a bit puzzled by your reasoning. Why would want to take copyrighted material from a band you like if you really want to help people?

You're wrong here friend, and I hope you see that before you get into trouble.

I guess this is a problem for me. I want to support Petra they are my favorite band..

I just dont like greed and niether does Jesus. I just think that certain laws are bogus. This law is made to make sure The Record Companies Get nice and loaded. The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

Its not Petra I'm upset with...I'm upset with the greed aspect of the Record Comapnies....

People have been making copies of cassette tapes for family and friends for years . I dont ever remember hearing a stink about it as much as there is now......

Godbless in Christ

[LexingtonPethead]

Its not Petra I'm upset with...I'm upset with the greed aspect of the Record Comapnies....

You don't like greed? Isn't stealing whatever music you want also greed?

I'm sure the average downloader downloads the equivalent to hundreds of dollars worth, if not thousands of dollars worth of copyrighted music. That's greed for you.

[Shell]

They probably either haven't really thought about that or they figure they'll never get caught. The phrases "oh, I'll never get caught" and "it could never happen to me" shouldn't be in your vocabulary. That sort of self-righteous attitude has a way of coming back around to kick you in the behind when you least expect it.

[LexingtonPethead]

And I think it's human nature to revel in getting something for nothing... you know, we all want a great deal, right?

Except in this case, it's not a deal at all when you stop and think about it. People take what isn't theirs to take. Or they give what isn't theirs to give.

Hopefully we're giving PetfanInCt something to think about.

Isn't he formerly Outcast4Him? I think I remember seeing a post earlier.

[Michael]

The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

You might be surprised at how much musicians, even famous ones, do NOT make. But don't you understand that if sales for an artist drop, the record company doesn't make any money, and if the record company doesn't make money on the CD the band gets dropped. If everyone had downloaded and burned Revival, there might not be a Jekyll & Hyde.

[PetfanInCt]

And I think it's human nature to revel in getting something for nothing... you know, we all want a great deal, right?

Except in this case, it's not a deal at all when you stop and think about it. People take what isn't theirs to take. Or they give what isn't theirs to give.

Hopefully we're giving PetfanInCt something to think about.

Isn't he formerly Outcast4Him? I think I remember seeing a post earlier.

I dont advocate breaking the law. Life is just a whole lot different when your on disability and in the lower income brackets. Actually in my 33 years of life I cant remember the last time I made a copy for someone. Most of the time I have been the recipient of the copy not the giver.

I dont buy cd's to make copies of them. I dont talk to most of my family because of rivallaries, abuse, and the drug addiction in the family. nobody talks to each other. So I dont have to be concerned with making copies for family. I dont make copies for friends because I dont have any my problem my issue I know.

In My state Christian music access is very slim, No regular Christian radio (CCM radio)

Its not like I have a underground operation going on here. I'm not even an avid downloader. I was thinking more of the less fortunate people who dont have as much access to God's music as most of the people on this forum seem to have.

And yes I used to be outcast4him. Different nic but I still feel like one.

[BriGuyPEI]

The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

This is a very na�ve statement. Members of many bands who we might think would have lots of money have to get side jobs when they're not touring. I can think of many examples. Just pop on over to Jamie Rowe's message board sometime if you don't believe me. I know that the lack of many touring dates is one of the reasons there was such a high turnover rate in Petra in the late 90s. The band members simply couldn't make a living based on royalties and the few dates they were playing.

Not all musicians are rich. For most of them, "comfortable" would be as good as it gets. If that.

[PetfanInCt]

The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

You might be surprised at how much musicians, even famous ones, do NOT make. But don't you understand that if sales for an artist drop, the record company doesn't make any money, and if the record company doesn't make money on the CD the band gets dropped. If everyone had downloaded and burned Revival, there might not be a Jekyll & Hyde.

Well then its a good thing that everyone didnt download and burn Revival because J&H is a great album.

I still think what Word records to did Petra was crappy...Petra was with them for what 13 years. Word records dropped them. Then put out 2 Petra cd's after they did it.

[PetfanInCt]

The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

This is a very na�ve statement. Members of many bands who we might think would have lots of money have to get side jobs when they're not touring. I can think of many examples. Just pop on over to Jamie Rowe's message board sometime if you don't believe me. I know that the lack of many touring dates is one of the reasons there was such a high turnover rate in Petra in the late 90s. The band members simply couldn't make a living based on royalties and the few dates they were playing.

Not all musicians are rich. For most of them, "comfortable" would be as good as it gets. If that.

What causes the lack of touring dates

[Shell]

We've been down the "why aren't there more concerts" road too, LOL. There are so many different factors that could contribute to that sort of thing, it's hard to pin down anything specific.

I've noticed they've been in Europe and South America a lot lately, which I think is great, but I wish they had more shows in the states.

[PetfanInCt]

The members of Petra I dont think have to worry about where they're next meal comes from. They all have nice houses and nice cars.

This is a very na�ve statement. Members of many bands who we might think would have lots of money have to get side jobs when they're not touring. I can think of many examples. Just pop on over to Jamie Rowe's message board sometime if you don't believe me. I know that the lack of many touring dates is one of the reasons there was such a high turnover rate in Petra in the late 90s. The band members simply couldn't make a living based on royalties and the few dates they were playing.

Not all musicians are rich. For most of them, "comfortable" would be as good as it gets. If that.

It seems the Record Companies are the culprits. Is the reason why the memebers couldnt make it on the royalties was because the Record Company was robbing them of a fair shake of the profits