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Post by PetfanInCt » Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:45 pm

Matthew RJ wrote:Did fox say anything bad about Bush?
Yes. They have people on there all the time that say how bad Bush is. Some reps come on and critize Bush for how much spending hes signing into law.

Fox News isnt a GOP fest. However it is balanced. It cracks me up you have CNN, CBS News, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC News, all spewing there one sided Liberal biased news and commentary and its like well its news. You have one Network Fox News who dares to go balanced and have both sides commented and critiqued and its slammed as being right winged. Its laughable The Liberals practically own all the media, mags, newspapers,. Theres Fox and they call GOP Tv....Its laughable the other side comes out to a news story and they the Liberals cant handle.

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Matthew RJ wrote:Did fox say anything bad about Bush?
Yes. They have people on there all the time that say how bad Bush is. Some reps come on and critize Bush for how much spending hes signing into law.

Fox News isnt a GOP fest. However it is balanced. It cracks me up you have CNN, CBS News, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC News, all spewing there one sided Liberal biased news and commentary and its like well its news. You have one Network Fox News who dares to go balanced and have both sides commented and critiqued and its slammed as being right winged. Its laughable The Liberals practically own all the media, mags, newspapers,. Theres Fox and they call GOP Tv....Its laughable the other side comes out to a news story and they the Liberals cant handle.

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Post by LexingtonPethead » Wed Nov 24, 2004 4:59 pm

Big D,

Thank you for your post - it is awesome. I'm so glad to know that not everyone in Canada swallows the liberal bias hook line and sinker. Thank you for seeing through the rhetoric and offering sound reason.

By the way, you're gonna love FOX NEWS!!!!!
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Wed Nov 24, 2004 5:02 pm

executioner wrote: LEX,

Foxnews does rule, I watch all the time; I can't remember the last time I watched news from somewhere else. I don't even watch local news anymore. It's kind of strange because I work for the biggest media company in the Southern U.S. and I don't even watch them or read their papers anymore.
If I could get but only one channel on my TV - the Fox News Channel - I would seldom miss the other ones. When I have the TV on, it's usually there. I do watch a few other programs, but generally, Fox News is what's on my TV.
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executioner wrote: LEX,

Foxnews does rule, I watch all the time; I can't remember the last time I watched news from somewhere else. I don't even watch local news anymore. It's kind of strange because I work for the biggest media company in the Southern U.S. and I don't even watch them or read their papers anymore.
If I could get but only one channel on my TV - the Fox News Channel - I would seldom miss the other ones. When I have the TV on, it's usually there. I do watch a few other programs, but generally, Fox News is what's on my TV.
So I'm not the only one huh good. My wife will come into the kitchen and if I leave briefly she will turn it to MSNBC. Yes my wife is a Democrat shes a pro-life Democrat. I said what did you switch it for, she'll say oh you want your Republican Tv back on..I'll say I want my balanced tv back on. I said if you watched it enough you'd know.

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Post by LexingtonPethead » Wed Nov 24, 2004 6:10 pm

PetfanInCt wrote:
LexingtonPethead wrote:
executioner wrote: LEX,

Foxnews does rule, I watch all the time; I can't remember the last time I watched news from somewhere else. I don't even watch local news anymore. It's kind of strange because I work for the biggest media company in the Southern U.S. and I don't even watch them or read their papers anymore.
If I could get but only one channel on my TV - the Fox News Channel - I would seldom miss the other ones. When I have the TV on, it's usually there. I do watch a few other programs, but generally, Fox News is what's on my TV.
So I'm not the only one huh good. My wife will come into the kitchen and if I leave briefly she will turn it to MSNBC. Yes my wife is a Democrat shes a pro-life Democrat. I said what did you switch it for, she'll say oh you want your Republican Tv back on..I'll say I want my balanced tv back on. I said if you watched it enough you'd know.

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Yeah, I guess someone out there has to watch PMSNBC . My wife will usually change the channel to Lifetime, or some chick show.
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LexingtonPethead wrote:
PetfanInCt wrote:
LexingtonPethead wrote:
executioner wrote: LEX,

Foxnews does rule, I watch all the time; I can't remember the last time I watched news from somewhere else. I don't even watch local news anymore. It's kind of strange because I work for the biggest media company in the Southern U.S. and I don't even watch them or read their papers anymore.
If I could get but only one channel on my TV - the Fox News Channel - I would seldom miss the other ones. When I have the TV on, it's usually there. I do watch a few other programs, but generally, Fox News is what's on my TV.
So I'm not the only one huh good. My wife will come into the kitchen and if I leave briefly she will turn it to MSNBC. Yes my wife is a Democrat shes a pro-life Democrat. I said what did you switch it for, she'll say oh you want your Republican Tv back on..I'll say I want my balanced tv back on. I said if you watched it enough you'd know.

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Yeah, I guess someone out there has to watch PMSNBC . My wife will usually change the channel to Lifetime, or some chick show.
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Post by BigD » Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:11 pm

LexingonPethead wrote: By the way, you're gonna love FOX NEWS!!!!!
Assuming it's on a basic cable package, anyways.

I try to listen to the news for the news itself, and not how it's portrayed or said. Every source gives its facts; you have to watch for the spin - from both sides ;) .
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Post by epdc » Wed Nov 24, 2004 10:13 pm

Big D,

so those images are RARELY seen by outsiders? let me tell ya something, I watched those before and many like those before,this is about "reality" and a "pink world".

When I read the post I felt like if you guys were assuming all that as "the whole truth and nothing but the truth".

Let me tell ya something.- the media manipulates EVERYTHING.

I have no doubts that someone might be happy in Irak but believe me, thinking that the USA "set" them free is a really "fairy tale" theory, they destroyed houses, inoccent people and stuff and you guys expect they will be happy?.


AND, please, remember the original reason of why they went there, the USA didn`t go to set free ANYONE. The USA government is not that nice believe me, they had other interests over there and started to manipulate the "we are going to give freedom" thought when if you remember, that wasn`t the goal for going over there.

You guys have to believe what you have to believe NOT what you would wish were true. Have you heard perspectives of some soldiers who are over there?.

yeah, they might have set Irak free, ok, no doubt of it but it wasn`t a fairy tale like "Bush Hood went to help the weak people and set them free", it was and has been a whole destruction over there.

and please, PLEASE!!!!! don`t take this personal, I`m not attacking american people but american government (I`m only judging ONE single guy: Bush).

and no one, either Mathew RJ and me have anything against USA, I love you all and I have great friends over there but I have to disagree with what you guys are saying.
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:59 pm

epdc wrote:Big D,

so those images are RARELY seen by outsiders? let me tell ya something, I watched those before and many like those before,this is about "reality" and a "pink world".

When I read the post I felt like if you guys were assuming all that as "the whole truth and nothing but the truth".

Let me tell ya something.- the media manipulates EVERYTHING.

I have no doubts that someone might be happy in Irak but believe me, thinking that the USA "set" them free is a really "fairy tale" theory, they destroyed houses, inoccent people and stuff and you guys expect they will be happy?.


AND, please, remember the original reason of why they went there, the USA didn`t go to set free ANYONE. The USA government is not that nice believe me, they had other interests over there and started to manipulate the "we are going to give freedom" thought when if you remember, that wasn`t the goal for going over there.

You guys have to believe what you have to believe NOT what you would wish were true. Have you heard perspectives of some soldiers who are over there?.

yeah, they might have set Irak free, ok, no doubt of it but it wasn`t a fairy tale like "Bush Hood went to help the weak people and set them free", it was and has been a whole destruction over there.

and please, PLEASE!!!!! don`t take this personal, I`m not attacking american people but american government (I`m only judging ONE single guy: Bush).

and no one, either Mathew RJ and me have anything against USA, I love you all and I have great friends over there but I have to disagree with what you guys are saying.
Elo, no matter what your views are, we're still gonna be friends, and I say this with great respect for you through the Lord.

But you are flat out wrong about what you think this war was about. The reason we went over there was because all the intelligence said that Iraq had WMDs. England knew it. Russia knew it. The French knew it. The liberal democrats in congress knew it. This is why we went in. Saddam had to be taken out. A by-product of removing a dictator is that the people find freedom in the process.

This was done with the greatest of care to limit physical destruction as much as possible. But because Saddam refused to prove he didn't have WMDs and because he wouldn't leave or step down peacefully, he and his military had to be removed by force. War is not pretty. Yes, mistakes happen that bring unintended consequences. But if you ask the Iraqi people if it was worth it to gain their freedom, they obviously think it was.

Plus, the US is spending billions of dollars rebuilding Iraq. I could understand your dissent if we went in there and destroyed their cities without helping them rebuild. Not only are we doing this, but we are also helping them establish a democracy of their own. They will soon be an autonomous nation that loves freedom as much as Americans do.

You have obviously been influenced by the liberal media, and that's a real shame. You don't defeat terrorism by cowtowing to the likes of Osama YoMomma and Zarkowi. You have to exterminate them. If that bothers you, then I would have to say that maybe you don't value freedom enough to defend it. America exists today only because the people who first settled here loved freedom enough to fight for it and defend it once it was achieved. America will always rise up to defend its freedom - whether the rest of the world likes it or not.

The United States is a beacon to the world. In spite of its faults and problems, it is the greatest nation in which to live. I am proud of George W Bush. He is truly one of America's greatest Presidents and the best friend of everyone around the world who loves freedom.
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Post by LexingtonPethead » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:12 am

BigD wrote:[quote="LexingonPethead:] By the way, you're gonna love FOX NEWS!!!!!
Assuming it's on a basic cable package, anyways.

I try to listen to the news for the news itself, and not how it's portrayed or said. Every source gives its facts; you have to watch for the spin - from both sides ;) .[/quote]

Like I said, you're gonna love Fox News!!
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Post by BigD » Fri Nov 26, 2004 1:38 am

EDIT: One response. epdc, all I have ever said is that signs of positive progress in Iraq are a welcome change from all the negativity and violence that is reported by the media; none of the feel-good stories are ever told. I know things aren't perfect in Iraq. I'm just glad to see that some people are choosing to look at the positive.

This thread is helping to show another side of what's happening in there, to provide balance. I hope you seek the same balance in your perspective epdc, as opposed to your seeming desire to criticize George Bush at every turn for everything that's gone wrong.

Thanks for the pics, Lex.
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Post by epdc » Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:22 pm

well, if you guys are saying it meaning that point guess is ok. Just don`t believe that is all happiness over there right now. sigh, WHY CAN`T WE JUST DISCUSS STUPID STUFF??????? :D :D
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Post by gman » Fri Nov 26, 2004 12:47 pm

There are two basic types of people in Iraq. Those who have never wanted us there and have taken up the fight against us, and those who have waited for years for the USA to come and liberate them.
In my opinion, people on the left do not want to discuss actual ideas and the big vision for why we are there. They just want to throw out charges and talking points. The weapons were a big reason we went over there, but the not the only one given. We haven't found the bio-weapons and other big weapons, which may have been destroyed right before the war and/or shipped over the border, but we have found plenty of weapons. How could the terrorists over there put up such a fight if there were no weapons when we went over there?
The weapons, liberation, democracy, etc., are all part of the big vision the left can't talk about. We are there to change the face of the middle east by planting free countries. It started with Afghanistan and continued in Iraq. By doing so we are putting the squeeze on countries like Iran and North Korea. The goal is to have freedom outweigh terrorism and oppression in that region. Already, because of what we have done, Libya has given up its weapons.

Did you know that the fine folks who put on the Creation Music festival here in the USA have partnered with several American Christian leaders, and leaders and ambassadors in the Middle East country of Morocco, to put on a music festival in that country in 2005 that will feature Christian music from America? This festival will likely be sponsored by the King of Morocco!
That is not a direct result of our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, but it is proof that freedom is spreading in that part of the world.

I thank God for someone like George W. Bush who has the b@lls to make the hard decisions and do the right thing, is not swayed by the political winds, and starts every day in the Whitehouse with prayer and actually means it!
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Post by Pethead1 » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:09 pm

Fox did report that Bush would not close our borters so the people who hate us cant come and kill us. They also reported that he is giving more of our (thoese of us who work for what we have) mnet to people who wont work.
That is not a good and positive thing to say.
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